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Post by vectrix on Jun 16, 2010 21:13:17 GMT -5
Never paid attention to those records, will take your word for it. But then why is the move on to reduce the doe population if we have had such fabulous success in lowering the doe population, does not make much sense. Could it be the number of deer/vehicle accidents, or the crop depredation during a time of economic recession, or high gas prices limiting the number of times a hunter is able to travel to their favorite area, lack of access to hunting areas, not enough hunters, only taking what they need or have room for. What is the answer? I hear ya, good question.
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Post by vectrix on Jun 16, 2010 21:19:31 GMT -5
"When the LTL holders fade away the deer population will explode in this state"
How many bonus tags allowed in your county? Heck Deerman, we don't need the LTL holders we will always have the 35% of Renegades who don't check their deer in or buy tags.
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 17, 2010 6:04:32 GMT -5
"When the LTL holders fade away the deer population will explode in this state" How many bonus tags allowed in your county? Heck Deerman, we don't need the LTL holders we will always have the 35% of Renegades who don't check their deer in or buy tags. I have never seen the 35 percent of the deer harvest outlined as the unchecked and untagged !! LOL Got any link to that LIL My counties are a 4 bonus 3 and 2. I see tons of deer every year and kill plenty . You will never here me say I did not see any deer or complain about the lack of them . I do think that a few places could use more some are just right and many many are way over populated.
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Post by vectrix on Jun 17, 2010 7:42:41 GMT -5
I would bet that # is not far off.
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Post by buster on Jun 17, 2010 7:55:21 GMT -5
Me either.......
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Post by tenring on Jun 17, 2010 10:52:49 GMT -5
Illegally taken deer equal or exceeds the legal harvest, spoken by more than one high ranking DNR employee on more than one occasion. Take it from there.
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Post by vectrix on Jun 17, 2010 12:08:03 GMT -5
CO's are spread way too thin for thr area they have to cover, makes it easy for the lazy guy's. Don't mean to get off track.
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 17, 2010 16:26:34 GMT -5
Illegally taken deer equal or exceeds the legal harvest, spoken by more than one high ranking DNR employee on more than one occasion. Take it from there. I absolutely do not even remotely believe that one at all sorry that is simply not even believable in any form from any source.Now combine all the ways deer die outside of hunters taking them maybe like cars collision, ,predators ,Disease,and natural death causes like say bad fawn birthing or rutting combat injuries ,or any silly accident that happens. Then you may be talking the same or more than what hunters take here yearly.
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Post by indianahick on Jun 17, 2010 18:18:25 GMT -5
Personally I find 35% that don't check or buy licenses quite extreme unless the LTL people are included in the non purchaser percentage. As for rabbit rangers there does need to be more especially good ones. The bad ones need to get jobs as Pinkerton guards. Buster sounds like a good one. Knew a couple of good ones; One has passed on and I lost track of the other. Probably retired.
More deer means more big bucks. We simply have more deer.
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Post by vectrix on Jun 17, 2010 20:12:21 GMT -5
Personally I find 35% that don't check or buy licenses quite extreme unless the LTL people are included in the non purchaser percentage. As for rabbit rangers there does need to be more especially good ones. The bad ones need to get jobs as Pinkerton guards. Buster sounds like a good one. Knew a couple of good ones; One has passed on and I lost track of the other. Probably retired. More deer means more big bucks. We simply have more deer. I have heard at least 35% from more than a few "people in the know" like CO's. Not trying to say they know more about this situation than you but they probably do. Who would you take advice from about your health from a Doctor or a Plumber? It's their job to know this sort of thing. I'm also curious on what dictates a good CO from a bad Co? Again not trying to be a smart%$^ but what kind of season did you have last year, kill a ton of deer did we? You stated we have MORE deer and looking back on previous post's I was curious how many you took?
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Post by vectrix on Jun 17, 2010 20:41:10 GMT -5
During archery I saw one maybe two deer, lots of standing corn. Now that firearms is here I have seen 6 deer, corn is gone in all but one field. 0 bucks. And your anti OBR?
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 17, 2010 21:05:33 GMT -5
Personally I find 35% that don't check or buy licenses quite extreme unless the LTL people are included in the non purchaser percentage. As for rabbit rangers there does need to be more especially good ones. The bad ones need to get jobs as Pinkerton guards. Buster sounds like a good one. Knew a couple of good ones; One has passed on and I lost track of the other. Probably retired. More deer means more big bucks. We simply have more deer. I have heard at least 35% from more than a few "people in the know" like CO's. Not trying to say they know more about this situation than you but they probably do. Who would you take advice from about your health from a Doctor or a Plumber? It's their job to know this sort of thing. I'm also curious on what dictates a good CO from a bad Co? Again not trying to be a smart%$^ but what kind of season did you have last year, kill a ton of deer did we? You stated we have MORE deer and looking back on previous post's I was curious how many you took? Here is the one I killed that has antlers the other one did not and I did not want any more I saw way way over a hundred deer last season on the 4 properties I hunt ,that also includes my farm of coarse. I could of taken a 150 class buck in gun had I had a second tag. But you will not hear me complain about my buck choice. The 150 still lives this summer and I was perfectly happy with my bow buck it made me smile and that was all that matterd that day. So in fact I took three my sons each took their bucks as well as a doe we just do not need that much meat and just killing deer for the sake of killing is not for me ,meat or bone / meat is what I do it for. Honestly its been a couple plus decades since I have not taken my buck or bucks of choice and doe or two or in the past more! Attachments:
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Post by vectrix on Jun 17, 2010 23:18:19 GMT -5
I have heard at least 35% from more than a few "people in the know" like CO's. Not trying to say they know more about this situation than you but they probably do. Who would you take advice from about your health from a Doctor or a Plumber? It's their job to know this sort of thing. I'm also curious on what dictates a good CO from a bad Co? Again not trying to be a smart%$^ but what kind of season did you have last year, kill a ton of deer did we? You stated we have MORE deer and looking back on previous post's I was curious how many you took? Here is the one I killed that has antlers the other one did not and I did not want any more I saw way way over a hundred deer last season on the 4 properties I hunt ,that also includes my farm of coarse. I could of taken a 150 class buck in gun had I had a second tag. But you will not hear me complain about my buck choice. The 150 still lives this summer and I was perfectly happy with my bow buck it made me smile and that was all that matterd that day. So in fact I took three my sons each took their bucks as well as a doe we just do not need that much meat and just killing deer for the sake of killing is not for me ,meat or bone / meat is what I do it for. Honestly its been a couple plus decades since I have not taken my buck or bucks of choice and doe or two or in the past more! Nice one, I was just proving what I said some post's back that alot of people say one thing in June and another when season rolls around. You can shoot me an e-mail and my son, daughter and I will take some of those deer you don't want off of your hands! ;D I hunt very hard and kill my fair share with a bow, my son gets his fair share with gun and bow. We butcher and eat nothing but deer meat until we run out, usually sometime in late summer. I think your argument is based more off of a management standpoint where you see a buck you want to take out of the breeding pool but don't want to burn a tag. We took 8 deer between us last season and hunted HARD to get them. 3 weeks of vacation and 7 of those 8 before firearms season came in.
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Post by indianahick on Jun 18, 2010 12:54:59 GMT -5
What makes a CO a bad one? Talk to Buster in a personal msg. Maybe he will tell who or why. This one still works for the dnr.
I have only seen 2 antlered deer in the last 3-4 yrs. Before 2000 I probably seen 5-8 a year. That place is gone (technicly it is still there; but only if you belong to a closed and private group). As for my personal harvest 1-2 per year is enough and considering the small size of the places I have I consider that quite good. Of course there is always Fairbanks but that is catch as catch can. As for the OBR I believe that it is fallacy. And any time some one tells you that something is win-win you know someone is getting bent over. Spent too many years hearing that phrase from corporate types. Works if you believe that the check is in the mail.
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Post by UrbanArcher82 on Jun 18, 2010 13:35:53 GMT -5
Only seeing 2 antlered deer in the last 3-4 years would be a good argument to be pro OBR. Wow thats not many, I thought I had it rough.
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Post by vectrix on Jun 18, 2010 13:39:13 GMT -5
What makes a CO a bad one? Talk to Buster in a personal msg. Maybe he will tell who or why. This one still works for the dnr. I have only seen 2 antlered deer in the last 3-4 yrs. Before 2000 I probably seen 5-8 a year. That place is gone (technicly it is still there; but only if you belong to a closed and private group). As for my personal harvest 1-2 per year is enough and considering the small size of the places I have I consider that quite good. Of course there is always Fairbanks but that is catch as catch can. As for the OBR I believe that it is fallacy. And any time some one tells you that something is win-win you know someone is getting bent over. Spent too many years hearing that phrase from corporate types. Works if you believe that the check is in the mail. Yea I know Buster he is an OK CO except when he teases people for shooting jakes!
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 18, 2010 15:54:51 GMT -5
Only seeing 2 antlered deer in the last 3-4 years would be a good argument to be pro OBR. Wow thats not many, I thought I had it rough. Honestly InHicks land or the neighboring land hunters may be a problem for him and we do not know the whole story as to why he only saw 3 bucks and where he hunts . I have seen other guys in this type of situation and honestly most of the time they or the land they hunt just need some tweeking to get to where they see bucks and deer all the time . Usualy its a combination of things that can be easily fixed .
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Post by vectrix on Jun 18, 2010 19:46:24 GMT -5
My hats off to indianahick for sticking with it through that. I have had a few rough years lately but always mange to pull it off. That however would make for a very long season.
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Post by deerman1 on Jun 20, 2010 10:09:53 GMT -5
My hats off to indianahick for sticking with it through that. I have had a few rough years lately but always mange to pull it off. That however would make for a very long season. I understand the tough times thing as I hunted the 1970s and the early 1980s when there were very few deer in the central part of the state .I mean my county took less than 100 deer for the first 10 or so years I hunted. We had plenty of hunters believe me just not many deer . That said I can say with certainty now that heaving and getting big bucks here in Indiana is all about the numbers game . Thus the more deer the more trophies that means does too. You need lots and lots of does that produce lots of buck fawns every year for yearly recruitment. So I found that when times were tuff on the land I was hunting it was time to go find new hunting land for a few or several years even in other counties as far as 75 miles away and boy did it pay off big when I started hunting the new land for that year .And in a few years my land back home had had enough time off that it was smoking hot it took just 4 years of staying away from hunting it before it was harboring some real giants and lots of doe. So my advice to all of you that listen just a little too me is if your land is poor on deer production and deer numbers , is to get out right now find a new piece or two of property right now in the summer when you can openly see all the deer that is around . All you have to do is stop and ask until someone gives you permission it does work even now a days . But by all means leave the land you have been hunting alone completely for a few years like as in 3 or 4 and then get back in there and do some deer hunting it works .But you must have Patience and stay with asking and stay out of the woods at home .
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Post by tenring on Jun 20, 2010 16:07:32 GMT -5
Curiosity begs me to ask. How many acres of alfalfa, corn, winter wheat, and soybeans do you own?
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