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Post by greghopper on Apr 1, 2010 5:15:00 GMT -5
I have one question, is Indiana managing our state for larger (trophy bucks) or trying their hardest to decimate the deer herd? Either way I wish DNR would just make up their mind. It make no sense to me to enforce a OBR and then consider adding an antlerless season on top of the countless bonus tages available. If you want the deer dead then why limit it to one buck? As expected with any poll like this, the bow hunters are trying to protect the early season they have enjoyed for years and the peace that comes with it and the gun guys are chomping at the bit to get their foot in the door at a shot at the early hunt...lol I would like to see maybe some serious proof and solid numbers that would warrant an extra season. As I said earlier and Woody stated above, if added the season should only involve certain areas. With the OBR in place (which I support) it makes no sense to me to allow countless button bucks to be busted with a shotgun, which I'm sure is quite a challenge. Might as well add a fawn clubbing season that starts in July. DNR is on record for having said at a recent meeting ...."In the past we have managed to increase the deer herd or at least keep it the same, we are now going to manage to reduce it." If antlerless is forced down peoples throats and seasons changed or shorten for no "just" reason,I will/may not shoot another Doe... The week of antlerless in gun season (if it happens) maybe the NEW resting week for gun hunters!!!!!Take a break get ready for 30 straight day of hunting if needed... On April 12 IDNR will formulate a plan to present for preliminary adoption on May 16 to the NRC. After that meeting there will be a public comment period for ALL to comment....
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Post by bschwein on Apr 2, 2010 12:22:09 GMT -5
I voted for #4. Now with that stated, IMHO if they would reduce the cost of a doe license that would help a bunch. In fact even with an extended season, I'm still not buying any more doe tags unless they get cheaper or come out with a sportmans license of some sort.
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Post by deerpreacher on Apr 2, 2010 15:02:04 GMT -5
We do not need to change the law. With the numbers of hunters now going up with the economy being bad, we are going to see a deer reduction any way.
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Post by drs on Apr 3, 2010 7:14:12 GMT -5
The Deer population in Indiana has reached it's peek in my opinion. We will now start seeing the harvest level off or even a population drop. This will mainly be due to lack of hunting lands, development, and more posted "No Hunting" lands. Also EHD is still a threat and many Deer will be lost to it as well as an increase in poaching due to economic conditions.
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Post by raporter on Apr 3, 2010 7:48:34 GMT -5
The biggest problem with herd reduction is the ability to gain access to private ground where the less stringent rules exist to harvest does. You can not utilize bonus county tags on any of the state properties like Winimac, Salamonie, etc. A hunter starting out from scratch right now by knocking on doors will find it almost impossible to gain private access. If you don't own it, marry in to it, farm it, or have family or friends that allow you to hunt then it is not going to happen! If you do find a kindly neighbor that will allow you to hunt, chances are he let's everyone in the surrounding area to hunt. Then you bump heads, get stands stolen, have vehicles keyed or tires punctured and it is just not worth the hassle. A lot of ground is leased now, and I would bet that the majority of leases are for trophy buck hunting and the hunters do not harvest very many does. The bonus county bag limits are a joke. Madison County is a perfect example of this with a bonus limit of 8. You could make that number 100 and still not have a significant reduction in the doe herd because of limited access to private ground. When the quota was raised to an 8, I about had a fit, but it really didn't matter in the long run as the harvest numbers have remained steady for about the last 10 years and show a slight increase to around 600 deer taken for the season. I also think EHD took its toll on the deer population in the southern regions of the state a few years back and no further reduction of the herd is needed until the numbers rebound again. I saw fewer deer while hunting this past season in Jefferson County than I have in 20 years of hunting. I have no clue what the answer is and will trust the district biologists to give their input to the state to come up with a plan. I for one will try and harvest 2 to 4 deer a year, but I'm not going out and whack 10 or 20 just to reduce the herd and give the meat away. I will only take what I can use in a years worth of cooking and making summer sausage. Excellent post. Isn't that part of the biologists duties? Our area certainly doesn't need more does taken.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 3, 2010 10:19:14 GMT -5
I have been hearing much talk of the possibility of an antlerless deer season so I thought I would do a poll here to see what would be most preferred. It seems there are five basic ideas being talked about so I am going to stick with these five. If you have other ideas please do post them up. Proposal No. One – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration starting in September the week prior to the start of early archery. Move the youth hunt a week earlier. Proposal No. Two – any legal weapon, 3 days in duration placed in between the youth hunt and the start of early archery. Proposal No. Three – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration starting when firearms season traditionally opens with firearms season starting immediately after and no resting period between. Firearms would run its same 16 days just a week later.Proposal No. Four – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration at the end of December. Proposal No. Five - any legal weapon, 7 days in duration after the late archery season. While I personally do not think that the state of Indiana is over run with deer it seems that those in charge are going to implement changes and I really don’t want to stand by on the sidelines and not give some input. I also understand that folks at DNR do visit the local forums so lets give them some constructive ideas and thoughts to work with. Mr. Mark Reiter is the Director for the IDNR Fish & Game and I am told he is the top dog in this deer reduction project, his email address is MREITER@dnr.IN.govDrop him an email to express your thoughts, please provide him good clear reasons for whatever you feel should be done. Proposal #3 would have hunters only hunting "BUCKS" for 30days....we have 32 days now to get our one "BUCK"......why shorten the season? ....
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Post by gmundy on Apr 3, 2010 11:48:19 GMT -5
In the last two years, I've been seeing les and less does. I don't think we need an antlerless season added on.
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Post by HuntMeister on Apr 3, 2010 20:08:34 GMT -5
I have been hearing much talk of the possibility of an antlerless deer season so I thought I would do a poll here to see what would be most preferred. It seems there are five basic ideas being talked about so I am going to stick with these five. If you have other ideas please do post them up. Proposal No. One – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration starting in September the week prior to the start of early archery. Move the youth hunt a week earlier. Proposal No. Two – any legal weapon, 3 days in duration placed in between the youth hunt and the start of early archery. Proposal No. Three – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration starting when firearms season traditionally opens with firearms season starting immediately after and no resting period between. Firearms would run its same 16 days just a week later.Proposal No. Four – any legal weapon, 7 days in duration at the end of December. Proposal No. Five - any legal weapon, 7 days in duration after the late archery season. While I personally do not think that the state of Indiana is over run with deer it seems that those in charge are going to implement changes and I really don’t want to stand by on the sidelines and not give some input. I also understand that folks at DNR do visit the local forums so lets give them some constructive ideas and thoughts to work with. Mr. Mark Reiter is the Director for the IDNR Fish & Game and I am told he is the top dog in this deer reduction project, his email address is MREITER@dnr.IN.govDrop him an email to express your thoughts, please provide him good clear reasons for whatever you feel should be done. Proposal #3 would have hunters only hunting "BUCKS" for 30days....we have 32 days now to get our one "BUCK"......why shorten the season? .... Sorry Greg but I guess I'm not following you. No.3 doesn't shorten firearms season, it pushes the firearms season out a week later. Is my math all messed up or something?
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Post by greghopper on Apr 3, 2010 20:14:03 GMT -5
yep...do the math
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Post by mbarkman on Apr 4, 2010 7:58:43 GMT -5
"Any weapon" (specifically firearms) prior to early archery will not bode well for bow-only hunters in early October. Case in point: deer are much more difficult to take with bow during and immediately following opening weekend of gun season. Why not extend early archery season to open early and coincide with Urban Zones, beginning September 15th?
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Post by HuntMeister on Apr 4, 2010 9:07:04 GMT -5
If you have found an error, post it up with the details please.
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Post by HuntMeister on Apr 4, 2010 9:18:12 GMT -5
Thanks to all for participating in the poll. Looks like a tie between early and late options. If you take into account No.4 & No. 5 together it would appear that late is the most popular choice. It is very obvious that putting a antlerless season when firearms has always started is not a popular option at all. I still believe the early season would be the most successful but I'm good with a late season as well.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 4, 2010 10:01:49 GMT -5
If you have found an error, post it up with the details please. 11days Buck hunting in NOV.20th to30th 19days Buck hunting in Dec.1 to 19th Looks like 30 to me....
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Post by HuntMeister on Apr 4, 2010 11:12:23 GMT -5
If you have found an error, post it up with the details please. 11days Buck hunting in NOV.20th to30th 19days Buck hunting in Dec.1 to 19th Looks like 30 to me.... when I look at the calendar I believe gun season this year would open 13NOV and run thru 28NOV correct? That is 16 days. What I suggested for that NOV option is gun (and consequentally muzz season) to move a week so the new gun opener would be 20NOV thru 5DEC which is still 16 days for each season. Maybe I didn't word it properly?
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Post by indianahick on Apr 4, 2010 11:38:40 GMT -5
Why not make it the last of the early archery which would make it Nov 6 to Nov 12 this year with firearms opening on the 13th.
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Post by deerman1 on Apr 4, 2010 11:47:27 GMT -5
Why not make it the last of the early archery which would make it Nov 6 to Nov 12 this year with firearms opening on the 13th. Simple only a "goober" would shoot does during the chase seek phase of the rut and educate the bucks on their tail !!! Think about it it would be the kiss of death in most areas of the state for any hunter looking to take a buck during the last week of bow and opening weekend of gun .
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Post by greghopper on Apr 4, 2010 12:31:28 GMT -5
11days Buck hunting in NOV.20th to30th 19days Buck hunting in Dec.1 to 19th Looks like 30 to me.... when I look at the calendar I believe gun season this year would open 13NOV and run thru 28NOV correct? That is 16 days. What I suggested for that NOV option is gun (and consequentally muzz season) to move a week so the new gun opener would be 20NOV thru 5DEC which is still 16 days for each season. Maybe I didn't word it properly? you still not seeing right ....Dec 6 to 19 is 14 days mussy will start on the 6th not the 4th..the 4th&5th will be the last weekend of gun season....(If the antlerless start on the 13 of Nov)...
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 4, 2010 22:05:55 GMT -5
Guy and Gals,
HuntMeister set the poll to lock today. I will be sure that the IDNR gets the results of this poll
Thank you very much for your participation.
WW
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Post by HuntMeister on Apr 5, 2010 9:22:50 GMT -5
when I look at the calendar I believe gun season this year would open 13NOV and run thru 28NOV correct? That is 16 days. What I suggested for that NOV option is gun (and consequentally muzz season) to move a week so the new gun opener would be 20NOV thru 5DEC which is still 16 days for each season. Maybe I didn't word it properly? you still not seeing right ....Dec 6 to 19 is 14 days mussy will start on the 6th not the 4th..the 4th&5th will be the last weekend of gun season....(If the antlerless start on the 13 of Nov)... Well in my hypothetical version, muzzy would start on 11DEC and run thru 26DEC which would be 16 days...
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Post by indianahick on Apr 5, 2010 10:25:03 GMT -5
Guess that makes me a goober because I could and do care less about getting a booner buck. Since I have only taken does the last few years. And most of them on opening weekend.
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