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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2009 23:09:00 GMT -5
i dont think shorter season im saying back it up a week so that not all our big bucks get slaughtered chasing does by gun hunters So you would rather all the big bucks get slaughtered chasing does by bow hunters? Can't you see that the only way your argument doesn't sound self serving is if you are calling for a morartoreum on hunting the rut period? No one says you can't bowhunt during gun season. If you want your argument to hold water, you need to preach that there should be no hunting during the rut, period...and I sure would hate that. By the time the gun season opens, the best part of the rut is over anyway. The first two weeks of November are the best for seeing bucks chasing does and that is all for the bowhunters.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 2, 2009 7:20:05 GMT -5
i dont think shorter season im saying back it up a week so that not all our big bucks get slaughtered chasing does by gun hunters So you would rather all the big bucks get slaughtered chasing does by bow hunters? Can't you see that the only way your argument doesn't sound self serving is if you are calling for a morartoreum on hunting the rut period? No one says you can't bowhunt during gun season. If you want your argument to hold water, you need to preach that there should be no hunting during the rut, period...and I sure would hate that. By the time the gun season opens, the best part of the rut is over anyway. The first two weeks of November are the best for seeing bucks chasing does and that is all for the bowhunters. I hate generalizations like this. Some years the first two weeks of November are the best. Many factors involved in the intensity and length of the rut. Also, the rut may not be visible some years until mid-late November. Weather, number of does, moon phases, all factors. This year was similar to 06 and held true to hard activity the first week of November.
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Post by gobblerstopper on Dec 2, 2009 8:21:44 GMT -5
...Some years the first two weeks of November are the best... Most years, probably 9 out of 10 years, the first two weeks of November are the best. Sure, some years there may be a few good days at the end of October and some years there may be a few good days into the third week of November, but the first two weeks almost always catch bucks at their most active period. That is why I don't understand where people get that Indiana (and Kentucky) have a firearms season during the peak of the rut?
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 2, 2009 10:41:42 GMT -5
...Some years the first two weeks of November are the best... Most years, probably 9 out of 10 years, the first two weeks of November are the best. Sure, some years there may be a few good days at the end of October and some years there may be a few good days into the third week of November, but the first two weeks almost always catch bucks at their most active period. That is why I don't understand where people get that Indiana (and Kentucky) have a firearms season during the peak of the rut? idk, thought there was a reason the trophy states in the midwest (obviously not Kentucky) keep firearms out of the entire month of November, people on the internet must be smarter than those state's game management experts.
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Post by racktracker on Dec 2, 2009 11:07:02 GMT -5
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 2, 2009 11:22:40 GMT -5
Now its back to hunting, not waiting for a doe to run a buck by me. Back to hunting a certain buck, hunting feeding habits and bedding areas. To me, now it takes more hunting skill than when the orange army is out and about. Granted muzzy season is still easier than bow, but still takes alot more skill, than modern firearm season during the month of Nov. I'm fired up! Wow, i'm not sure how you guys got soo much out of a little post? I don't think i mentioned anything about shortning the season, i like it just the way that it is. The Orange Army to me is just the high number of hunters that hit the woods (myself included) opening day of firearm season. That Orange Army slowly but surely depletes each passing day until the end of muzzy season. To me hunting during the rut, takes alot less skill and a whole lot more luck. Me personally i'm not very lucky, thats why i don't mind seeing the rut pass, and get back to hunting the habits of the whitetail.
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Post by indybassin on Dec 2, 2009 12:17:17 GMT -5
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Post by vectrix on Dec 2, 2009 12:41:09 GMT -5
i dont think shorter season im saying back it up a week so that not all our big bucks get slaughtered chasing does by gun hunters So you would rather all the big bucks get slaughtered chasing does by bow hunters? Can't you see that the only way your argument doesn't sound self serving is if you are calling for a morartoreum on hunting the rut period? No one says you can't bowhunt during gun season. If you want your argument to hold water, you need to preach that there should be no hunting during the rut, period...and I sure would hate that. By the time the gun season opens, the best part of the rut is over anyway. The first two weeks of November are the best for seeing bucks chasing does and that is all for the bowhunters. So by that statement you are saying that bow hunters are as capable as slautering bucks as gun hunters? If you go to the check in thread, my team was leading with 54 points the day before the gun opener, once gun came in that kind of changed didn't it. It's fine the way it is imo but it would certainly help the buck herd by backing firearms off by a week or two.
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Post by js2397 on Dec 2, 2009 13:10:33 GMT -5
So you would rather all the big bucks get slaughtered chasing does by bow hunters? Can't you see that the only way your argument doesn't sound self serving is if you are calling for a morartoreum on hunting the rut period? No one says you can't bowhunt during gun season. If you want your argument to hold water, you need to preach that there should be no hunting during the rut, period...and I sure would hate that. By the time the gun season opens, the best part of the rut is over anyway. The first two weeks of November are the best for seeing bucks chasing does and that is all for the bowhunters. So by that statement you are saying that bow hunters are as capable as slautering bucks as gun hunters? If you go to the check in thread, my team was leading with 54 points the day before the gun opener, once gun came in that kind of changed didn't it. It's fine the way it is imo but it would certainly help the buck herd by backing firearms off by a week or two. It looks like you killed two bucks with your bow before the gun season started. I wonder how many less you would have killed of the gun season was later. Maybe you are more concerned with others killing less but not you. Take from others but sacrifice nothing.
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 2, 2009 13:16:11 GMT -5
Yep; the thing is I hate to spend the money on refreshments as this is a rerun! Still nothing like the bowhunter vs gunhunter fights on the KY forum.
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Post by drs on Dec 2, 2009 13:30:52 GMT -5
I know one thing the DNR is letting hunters harvest too many doe in my area of the State..I hardly seen any doe in the past two year...I see five bucks for every doe on my property I hunt....I think the doe numbers are way down. Don't blame the IDNR, it's the Insurance Companies that pressured the IDNR into allowing a too liberal season on Deer.
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Post by indianahick on Dec 2, 2009 13:32:14 GMT -5
I am curious as to what states do not hunt any part of the rut? Ill does. Ohio, I would have to look it up but I would bet yes as to some part of it. Iowa is all that is left, When is their firearms season and how do they stand on firearms? Are they to an anti state as is Ill and Ohio? Pro firearms states seem to have longer firearms seasons. Hmmm wonder why. DNR's are somewhat legislative driven.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 2, 2009 14:34:40 GMT -5
So by that statement you are saying that bow hunters are as capable as slautering bucks as gun hunters? If you go to the check in thread, my team was leading with 54 points the day before the gun opener, once gun came in that kind of changed didn't it. It's fine the way it is imo but it would certainly help the buck herd by backing firearms off by a week or two. It looks like you killed two bucks with your bow before the gun season started. I wonder how many less you would have killed of the gun season was later. Maybe you are more concerned with others killing less but not you. Take from others but sacrifice nothing. Yep you hit the nail on the head,or I am good enough not to rely on a gun...but who knows? But since you decided to stick your nose in this, let me show you what I am saying. 2008 harvest early archery- 25,800 harvest 9,193 bucks Firearms- 86,454 38,324 bucks To make the accusation that an archer could do the same amount of damage is ridiculous. But let me back up, I do not care when the seasons are posted but would be for bumping firearms back to increase the mature buck population. I too am a gun hunter, have been for quite some time. To insinuate somehow I am anti gun or greedy as you say is retarded. To all that claim to be a trophy hunter it would do nothing but help/ and to all that claim to be meat hunters,there would be no effect.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 2, 2009 16:24:05 GMT -5
can somebody close my thread??? ALL the bs has nothing to do with the thread.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 2, 2009 16:28:05 GMT -5
At your request..
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