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Post by cambygsp on Oct 27, 2005 7:12:00 GMT -5
Proof of ownership would be a copy of deed, property tax receipt or a drivers license with the address of the property they are hunting.
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Post by drs on Oct 27, 2005 7:13:55 GMT -5
I say YES If we have to pay high property taxes, on the land we own and live on then we should be exempt!!
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 27, 2005 7:21:53 GMT -5
DRS...
Resident landowners are already exempt, but are NOT currently required to show any proof of ownership while in the field.
If a ICO suspects that the hunter is NOT really a "QUALIFIED landowner" the ICO would have to conduct a very time consuming investigation to determine one way or the other.
With ICO's being spread so thin....I think it's a good idea to require landowner exempt hunters to show proof in the field.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Oct 27, 2005 7:25:56 GMT -5
Is this really an issue? Do you all get checked on your own land? You would think a plat book and your drivers/hunting lisence would be all the proof a conservation officer would need.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2005 7:29:16 GMT -5
I don't thnk so.
This would almost be getting to a point wheer the government is asking "Papers please" for us to do whatever we want to do that is legal.
Most hunting regulatiosn are on the honor system anyway.
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Post by drs on Oct 27, 2005 8:08:03 GMT -5
DRS... With ICO's being spread so thin....I think it's a good idea to require landowner exempt hunters to show proof in the field. I agree, That is why I carry a "Landowners Tag" with me and tag the deer before taking it out in the woods. On the tag I give my Full name, address, phone number, sex of deer, and time of harvest; then take it to the check station. |
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Post by multidigits on Oct 27, 2005 8:16:24 GMT -5
Most CO's know their landowners....this is a non-issue. Those trying to skirt the law soon tell on themselves.
We're seeing some illegeal aliens (migrate workers) in Ky. hunting without having to buy a tag. That's getting close to be a problem that might need fixing.
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Post by birddog on Oct 27, 2005 8:17:00 GMT -5
As a "landowner" and a deer hunter I DO NOT agree with the land owner having to show proof of property to anyone,if the ICO wants to find out who owns the land then he can wait for me to go home and get the paperwork or he himself can go to the county court house and find out for himself.Why should a law abiding land owner have to show proof of ownership to an ICO for anyhow?  |
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Post by multidigits on Oct 27, 2005 8:19:53 GMT -5
Most abuser are not caught in the field anyway. Most are picked off from check station records compared with county clerk records. How many landowners get checked in the field, not many.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 27, 2005 9:16:40 GMT -5
Just off the top of my head....
Militaty folks hunting while on leave MUST carry their leave papers to show proof that they are allowed to hunt without a tag.
Out-of-state folks who OWN land in Indiana...and hunt that Indiana land are also REQUIRED to carry proof of ownership while hunting their Indiana land.
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Post by gundude on Oct 27, 2005 9:23:35 GMT -5
shouldnt the burden of proof fall upon the accuser? .... Why should I have to prove ITS my land? Show ME proof that its NOT........ Innocent until proven guilty.......... Just a thought/.......
Sure I usally have some form of ID ion me when I walk out the back door. ( thats just plain common sense) but what if I just ran out on a whim and left my wallet in the house? Now I have to prove to somebody im on my own land?..... I dont think so!
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Post by birddog on Oct 27, 2005 9:27:07 GMT -5
So why should a "resident" who has lived in Indiana all his life have to carry the paper work showing that he owns the land? ???What you have referrred to here about military and NON-residents should apply .......... |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 27, 2005 9:39:13 GMT -5
Because the state requires all deer hunters to carry proof that they are properly licensed.
What if a non-exempt deer hunter left his/her license at home?
I don't really see the big deal........If you live on the property your hunting then your state issued I.D or Drivers License would verify your exempt status. If you don't reside on the land being hunted...then the issue is a little more foggy. Thats where a copy of a deed or copy of property tax statement would come in handy.
Why is a non-resident landowner held to a higher standard than resident landowners?.....BOTH are Indiana LANDOWNERS!
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 27, 2005 9:43:46 GMT -5
another case of "guilty until you prove youre innocent" NO, A landowner should NOT have to PROVE ownership!
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Post by birddog on Oct 27, 2005 9:54:16 GMT -5
Because the state requires all deer hunters to carry proof that they are properly licensed.
What if a non-exempt deer hunter left his/her license at home?
To hunt deer one MUST have in their possession a copy of the state issued hunting license,if a person is in the military or a NON-resident and they do not have their said license with them then they must not hunt..period!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 27, 2005 11:15:06 GMT -5
another case of "guilty until you prove youre innocent" NO, A landowner should NOT have to PROVE ownership! I agree.... |
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Post by jkd on Oct 27, 2005 12:17:04 GMT -5
Camby,
My driver's license has my home address... it doesn't have the "address" of any of the fields in the 435 acres of my farm that I hunt on... carrying tax statements... let me see, for me that would mean carrying 21 parcel tax bills around while I'm hunting...
I agree totally with Woody's and Mutli's comments... the ICO can take your info in the field and verify ownership, if they don't already know you... I know my ICO real well, because I'm calling him every season to run off poachers and trespassers...
I hope with all the homeland security hype and the way things are going, that the US never gets to the point where police/"internal security" are walking up to people on the street or on their land and demanding, "Let me see your papers..." a bit too Hitler-esque for my tastes...
KD
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 27, 2005 14:00:42 GMT -5
Yes personally, but I think both sides have valid points to consider.
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Post by mbogo on Oct 27, 2005 14:03:49 GMT -5
While I would love to see abuses of the landowner exemption stopped, I don't think we need a new rule.
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Post by gundude on Oct 27, 2005 18:11:59 GMT -5
Camby, My driver's license has my home address... it doesn't have the "address" of any of the fields in the 435 acres of my farm that I hunt on... carrying tax statements... let me see, for me that would mean carrying 21 parcel tax bills around while I'm hunting... I agree totally with Woody's and Mutli's comments... the ICO can take your info in the field and verify ownership, if they don't already know you... I know my ICO real well, because I'm calling him every season to run off poachers and trespassers... I hope with all the homeland security hype and the way things are going, that the US never gets to the point where police/"internal security" are walking up to people on the street or on their land and demanding, "Let me see your papers..." a bit too Hitler-esque for my tastes... KD JKD could play in the NFL as he has once again put one right between the uprights!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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