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Post by cambygsp on Oct 18, 2005 20:42:33 GMT -5
www.tribstar.com/articles/2005/10/18/news/local_and_bistate/lb02.txtOfficer: Valley hunter died from asphyxiation Preliminary cause of death shows a Wabash Valley man who was found hanging from a tree stand Saturday died from asphyxiation, said Max Winchell, Indiana State Conservation public information officer. Timothy J. Simonton, 42, who had recently moved to the area, was hunting in Clay County woods with his stepson when he fell out of his tree stand. The two were about two miles west of Indiana 59 on County Road 1500N. When Simonton did not show at a designated meeting time, his stepson went looking for him. Investigators did not find signs of a struggle, so conservation officers do not know if Simonton passed out from a medical condition before he fell, Winchell said. Alcohol was not a factor, he said. Simonton was wearing a shoulder safety harness, which is fastened below the arms and around the chest and had about five feet of safety rope above him, Winchell said.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 18, 2005 20:49:50 GMT -5
That is sad..
Prayers of comfort for the family.
Folks,
My sincerest suggestion - Cut up and throw away the shoulder harnesses and "safety belts" (do NOT even give them away) and get a good FULL BODY harness.
Your life could very well depend on it..
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Post by indianadan on Oct 19, 2005 8:09:18 GMT -5
I agree with the post above.
Has anyone ever tested or hung from a waist belt or chest harness? I have. I hung from a beam in my basement, with a chest harness, and I ran out of breath very quickly. I'm sure with the adrenaline pumping from a fall I would run out even quicker!
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 19, 2005 8:15:01 GMT -5
Bad deal, as this guy was doing the right thing by wearing a safety harness.
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Post by jajwrigh on Oct 19, 2005 13:35:45 GMT -5
Last season I fell from a climber and my full body saved me! You can't even tell you have it on, so please wear one!
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 19, 2005 14:09:43 GMT -5
Here are some good suggestions...
1) FIRST and foremost a FULL BODY HARNESS..
2) A short tether line tied high enough that a person CANT fall below stand level
3) A handy knife
4) A handy screw in step- to get yourself back up on the stand..
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Post by jkd on Oct 19, 2005 15:40:57 GMT -5
Woody is spot on!
One of the ICO's did a demo at a Hamilton County Hunter Ed class last year on this with a winch hooked to a frame to suspend the "volunteer" in a waist belt... the person could only stand the pain for about ten seconds and had enough. Imagine the impact of a fall of 5 feet or more out of a stand and the cinch effect on your diaphragm, and you can see why you would quickly pass out from lack of O2.
I carry a Spyderco serrated knife of the type that can be opened quickly with one hand. If you ever need to cut a belt, you want a knife that's razor sharp and the serrated edge will dig in and cut the weave better than most smooth edged blades, IMO.
I was in a hunting party in Virginia back in '89 where a guy fell out of stand with a waist belt from a small platform stand in a pine. A buddy of mine and I climbed either side of the tree on the screw-in steps, Tom got under him and did the firemen's carry and I cut the belt loose from the tree. We had heard him yell when he first fell and were under the tree in less than a minute (we had just left his stand and were walking down a trail to our positions), but he was out cold by the time we got him cut loose. We got him breathing again on the ground, and he ended up with cracked short ribs and a herniated diaphragm out of the deal. Had we not been that close, I think he would have been a goner. An experience I hope never to repeat!!!
IMO, if you're not wearing a full harness, you would probably be better off wearing nothing and taking your chance on the fall, because a belt rig will kill you for sure.
Kirk
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Post by whitetail1 on Oct 19, 2005 19:06:14 GMT -5
Very sad news
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Post by idhmc on Oct 22, 2005 0:14:22 GMT -5
How long do you think a person is expected to live while hanging from a full body harness? Just hanging there, nothing special about it just hanging. (Answer at bottom)
I talked with an owner of a shop that has good friends in the industry and he gained this knowledge after a few accidents of people he knew including this one. His major concern was for his wife who spends alot of time in a tree stand each year and wanted her to have the best of the best. So he consulted the friend and asked him what was best for her. As stated above, the full body harness is by far the best availible, and the tether needs to be short. And it dont matter how high you are, you should use one because it dont take much to end you walking or even breathing FOREVER, and forever is a looooonnnngggg time friends. So be safe, dont be a statistic, and harness up because someone loves you im sure and would love to see you home after the hunt walking and/or breathing. The answer to the question is 14 minutes. Paratroopers show 20 min as a standard. Keep a knife mounted or taped or however you have to, on the harness and in reach. Hunt Hard stay safe and above all, God Bless Gary
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Post by raporter1 on Oct 22, 2005 9:22:12 GMT -5
Gary, Not trying to start something here but just wondering. What is the cause of death from hanging from a full body harness? Seems to me you could hang there till you starved to death. As a survivor of a tree stand fall I am all for whatever it takes to get our fellow hunters in the best safety equipment there is short of passing laws. Today we have state of the art tree stands and safety devices, don't try and save a few bucks with inferior products. With a little education we can eliminate these threads.
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Post by cday on Oct 22, 2005 9:51:07 GMT -5
The best thing is stay out of the trees and elvated stands.
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 22, 2005 10:08:51 GMT -5
I too would like to know the cause of death in a full body harness. I dont get that one.
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Post by idhmc on Oct 22, 2005 11:32:46 GMT -5
Bob, There is an artery (not sure what its called) that runs up the inner part of the leg. The leg straps that are on full body harnesses is what causes the problems. As I understand it, while a person is just hanging there, their feeling is slowing diminishing without them even noticing the effect. After some time the blood flow is slowed down causing the person to fade out of consciousness. Then eventually, the blood flow is restricted to a point of death. Repelling harnesses and tree saddles (I have years experinace in these) are built to a completely differant holding area of the body. The surface causes pressure to the butt instead of the inner leg. But I found this information very alarming when I first heard it. I was like most that thought I could just hang there all day until a hunting partner could come help me. But this isnt the case. If a person was to fall out of the front of a tree stand, its possible that they would not be able to reach nor grab an area of the tree and such to re-mount the stand or the ladder, steps, etc... If anyone knows Lonesome Elk archery owner Tom, give him a call and he call fill you in on the details of his conversation with the manufacture owner that gave him this info.
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Post by idhmc on Oct 22, 2005 11:34:09 GMT -5
One note,,, The 14 minute standard may very well be the consciousness setting. It would be hard to work to free yourself while asleep.
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Post by raporter1 on Oct 22, 2005 11:46:51 GMT -5
Well guys it looks as if there is a job for some of our brightest to do. Maybe make some money while saving lives.
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Post by jkd on Oct 22, 2005 12:27:29 GMT -5
The femoral arteries feed blood to the legs, and I could see where that would make your legs go numb after a bit, but am surprised that it could result in death, unless it's some effect of a backup in the abdominal aorta, which feeds blood to your kidneys/liver...
The WWII paratrooper from the 101st that got caught on the chuch steeple at St. Lo (I think that's the town... Normandy anyway), hung for a couple of hours before his shroud finally ripped and he fell, but maybe he moved around enough for circulation to get through... might depend on the type of rig too...
Definitely something worth researching...
KD
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Post by jkd on Oct 22, 2005 12:48:20 GMT -5
You learn something every day... From www.cdc.gov/elcosh/docs/d0300/d000388/d000388.html"Rescue Workers who fall in a harness may not be able to rescue themselves. So set up a rescue plan for each possible fall situation. Make sure ladder trucks will be able to reach hanging workers. Or plan ahead for other ways to rescue them. Be sure medical and rescue teams will get there fast, if needed. This is because hanging in a harness for more than a half-hour can be fatal. And a worker who falls may have other injuries." KD
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 23, 2005 4:49:33 GMT -5
www.newsdemocratleader.com/articles/2005/10/21/news/news04.txtDeerhunter died from fall A man who was found dead after he went deer hunting in North Logan died from an accidental fall, according to Logan County Coroner Jackie Dunlap. “He died from multiple internal injuries after he apparently accidentally fell while he was climbing a tree to get into a deer stand,” Dunlap told WRUS News. Jody Thomas Haley, 57, of Bowling Green went hunting Sunday morning. A searching family member found his body at 3:30 that afternoon at 6562 Deerlick Road near Lewisburg. The News-Democrat & Leader had reported that “no foul play or gun shots were suspected.” Mr. Haley was a machinist at General Motors Corvette and an enthusiastic outdoorsman. He was the brother of Anita Jane Haley of Russellville and Willis ‘Firecracker' Haley Jr. and Henry Haley, both of Lewisburg. A complete obituary appears on Page A-5.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 23, 2005 5:03:12 GMT -5
www.smithfieldherald.com/news/story/2822070p-9270753c.htmlHunter killed in fall By TRACI ASHLEY, NEWS EDITOR Kenly -- A Kenly-area man died Monday after he fell from a portable deer stand and broke his neck, the Johnston County Sheriff's Department reported. Jimmy Rose, 58, of 1569 Old Dam Road was hunting alone on property at 7868 Old Beulah Road when the accident happened, said Capt. Buck Pipkin. Deputies got a 9-1-1 call about 11 p.m., but it appeared the accident happened several hours earlier, Pipkin said. "He had been out there for several hours," Pipkin said. "After he didn't return home from his hunting trip, his family members called a neighbor where he was hunting. They found his truck and followed the path and went looking for him and called authorities when they found him in the woods." Jason Rose said his family last talked to his father about 2:30 p.m. Monday before he headed over to Timmy Creech's property in the Shoe Heel community. "He had probably been there 100 times or more," Rose said of his father. "He was real familiar with the area, so we know his death was a result of a fall. And there wasn't anything medical to cause him to fall. It was just an accident." Rose said his mother, Phyllis, called Creech about 10 p.m. Monday because her husband hadn't come home. Rose said his mother asked Creech if he would look on his land for her husband. A short time later, Rose said, Creech and one of his father's friends found his locked truck and then his body near the tree where he was watching for deer. Because he was hunting alone, Rose said, it's unclear exactly what happened. "We don't know if he lost his balance or if he was trying to come down out of the deer stand and fell," he said. In addition to hunting, Rose said, his father enjoyed fishing and running his 27 pedigree beagles. "All his life, fishing and hunting were his loves," the son said. "He loved being outside." Rose said his father was a U.S. Army veteran of the Vietnam War and devoted member of New Life Jerusalem Free Will Baptist Church, where he was a deacon and choir member. His funeral was scheduled for 2 p.m. today (Friday) at the church near Kenly. "I don't think he ever missed a choir practice," Rose said. "And when it came to maintenance, renovations or even cleaning inside or out, he was involved in that church in every aspect that he possibly could. Especially the choir, that just meant a whole lot to him."
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