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Post by whitfang on Dec 23, 2008 13:53:13 GMT -5
How does the tele-check system work?
From the name I assume that you can check harvested deer or turkey in by phone or computer.
Does that mean that the green metal tags will no longer exist?
How is it working out in other states?
Does it increase costs to the hunter?
Why is the system controversial?
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 23, 2008 13:58:11 GMT -5
you would be "issued" a tag number,,,,just not a tag(i assume)
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no,,,it saves money. you aint wastin gas/time to find a check station. State saves money by not having guys drive all over collecting check sheets, by not paying people to enter all that collected data, by not printing up all those check sheets and delivering them in the first place.....
some people just fight CHANGE
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Dec 23, 2008 14:26:45 GMT -5
Just remember your county of kill number & have an ink pen handy to write down the tele-check automated ID number on your license.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2008 15:07:37 GMT -5
I do my Illinois kills on the PC when I get home..
You do need the confirmation number for the taxidermist and/or the processor..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 15:44:28 GMT -5
With a cell phone, you could eliminate your need for a transportation tags a well, by simply phoning in your kill from the field. That assuming you have reception good enough to complete the call. You are asked a series of questions that the Game Dept. uses in it's survey to determine the status of the deer herd. Those questions very by the state involved and what they want to know. There are several different approaches to the same end result.
Tele-chek is a positive change and much more user friendly to both the hunter and the biologists task with deer management.
On the negative, it will propbably increase the rate of illegal take by 10 - 20%. These will be deer taken by otherwise legal means, except they don't get checked in. Once a number is determine, those can be factored in as well.
You have to remember that a lot of states with very successful programs don't use any check system at all except post-season surveys.
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Post by danf on Dec 23, 2008 16:20:09 GMT -5
On the negative, it will propbably increase the rate of illegal take by 10 - 20%. These will be deer taken by otherwise legal means, except they don't get checked in. Once a number is determine, those can be factored in as well. I'm sure you've got a source for that figure, but I don't see that argument at all being valid.... I'd actually argue there are more deer currently that are otherwise legally taken and not checked in due to the hassle of transporting to a check station. Tele-check should help to eliminate that hassle.  |
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 23, 2008 17:14:06 GMT -5
I don't believe any kind of remotely accurate figure could be arrived at under any system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 21:47:35 GMT -5
On the negative, it will propbably increase the rate of illegal take by 10 - 20%. These will be deer taken by otherwise legal means, except they don't get checked in. Once a number is determine, those can be factored in as well. I'm sure you've got a source for that figure, but I don't see that argument at all being valid.... I'd actually argue there are more deer currently that are otherwise legally taken and not checked in due to the hassle of transporting to a check station. Tele-check should help to eliminate that hassle. Yes, it can be verified to an extent. Way back before they found out it was unconsitutional to do so, Ky. F & W would conduct roving roadblocks during deer season and stop anyone who appeared to be hunting or travelling from or to a hunt. What they found was that about 18% of those they checked had a violation of some sort with a animal they had taken....deer or turkey. So at that time, when we had check stations a fudge factor of 18% was added in to get a truer picture of the final harvest. A few year after the Telechek system was put in place, they discovered that the 18% figure was way too low. Last I heard, the fudge factor was estimated to be about 30% or so, some believing it to be even higher. Those that are cheating the system now, will continue to do so. |
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Dec 24, 2008 1:09:58 GMT -5
One simple method would be to compare pre-telecheck numbers with post-telcheck numbers to see if the deviations are significant. We need to bring in new hunters into our numbers and I see telecheck as a positive for our younger generations who grew up with the Internet and Texting on Cell Phones.
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Post by oldhoyt on Dec 24, 2008 8:39:47 GMT -5
I see Timex's comments as flawed logic.
The 18% illegal harvest they saw in roadblocks was ocurring already. The Game Dept was already making decisions based on the reported harvest and estimated herd size. Makes no difference if the unreported or illegal harvest was 75%. They would still use reported harvest and estimated herd size to set limits.
That 18% or 75% or whatver the number, were already being removed form the herd every year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2008 9:56:14 GMT -5
The part your missing there is that the number did in fact increase, Either the 18% figure was estimated too low or the ease of telechek may have contributed to the increase.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 24, 2008 10:24:43 GMT -5
it would be no different than now. All you have to do now is write out your info, get it home, process then go right back to hunting. Tele-check wont make it any easier than it already is to poach.
poachers are poachers, always have been, always will be.
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