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Post by parson on Nov 29, 2008 18:53:53 GMT -5
I've taken deer with a lot of different firearms, from .45 round ball to 30-06. Sometimes they will drop in their tracks, and other times, a similar hit will put them into high gear.
My observation leads me to believe that the more relaxed the deer is, the more likely they will fall over when hit.
What's your theory/opinion?
parson
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Post by hammerofthor on Nov 29, 2008 20:37:35 GMT -5
this year, i kicked up a deer, he took off about 50 yards and then stopped looking directly at me at about 100 yards...he knew i was there since he took off the first time, but when he stopped 100 yards away i shot him with my .44 mag. and he dropped...he wasnt relaxed at all...
its just something that cant be determined...one deer will do one thing and the other will do it tottally opposite...somethin that cant be solved...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 29, 2008 20:54:37 GMT -5
3 major things will stop a deer in its tracks (sometimes dead, sometimes not):
CNS interruption (Head/Spine hit &/or secondary trauma)
Motive Bone Destruction (Explode the Shoulder/Hip and it's going down)
Zero-Aderenline Shock ("relaxed" heart/lung)
I've seen deer take a liver hit with a solid (non expanding) bullet and not notice - just hunch up a bit as if stung and walk away.
Without major bone or CNS trauma there's just no knowing.
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 30, 2008 5:39:42 GMT -5
Beats me; the only one I had drop and not even kick was with the 260rem rifle. No CNS hit, no shoulder breaking, just a double lunger.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 30, 2008 7:56:27 GMT -5
What OIS said..
I've had some deer drop instantly with double lungs shots, but most scamper a distance... mostly a short distance..
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Post by davepowers on Nov 30, 2008 9:55:23 GMT -5
I shot a do at the Clifty park reduction a few years back. I put the arrow a little farther back that I wanted but she dropped in her tracks. It was like front and back legs pulled up and she dropped straight down. She laid there for a few minutes then started to pull her self forward so I put another arrow in her. Only thing I could find was the arrow put a hole in her diaphragm maybe knocked the air out of her but that does not explain why she did not stand.
Dave
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 30, 2008 11:12:54 GMT -5
Beats me; the only one I had drop and not even kick was with the 260rem rifle. No CNS hit, no shoulder breaking, just a double lunger. But was it running or calm? Calm critters will generally crumple up after a heart/lung. Adrenalized will run with half their chest blown away. |
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Post by danf on Nov 30, 2008 14:00:35 GMT -5
That I can recall, I've never shot a deer that was moving. And I've NEVER had one fall on the spot. But, I've never taken a shot at anything other than chest either.....
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Post by dadfsr on Nov 30, 2008 15:17:56 GMT -5
The only ones that I've had DRT are when I've hit them in the neck. There have been a couple of times that the deer was close (within maybe thirty yards) and I had plenty of time with a good rest that I will take the neck shot. There is not nearly as much wasted meat plus I also get to keep the heart and liver!!
I'm sure that if I was looking at a trophy buck the neck shot would not be my first choice though...
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Nov 30, 2008 15:21:59 GMT -5
Beats me; the only one I had drop and not even kick was with the 260rem rifle. No CNS hit, no shoulder breaking, just a double lunger. But was it running or calm? Calm critters will generally crumple up after a heart/lung. Adrenalized will run with half their chest blown away. Hydrostatic Shock maybe. Centerfire rounds will cause this. |
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Post by Sasquatch on Nov 30, 2008 16:00:31 GMT -5
I have wonderd why, when no spine, legs or anything but vitals is hit--- say the bullet goes through nothing but lungs---- some deer fall dead and others run.
I heard of a theory that it depends on what the heart is doing when the bullet hits. If the heart is at full pump, the hydrostatic shock is multiplied and the animal is flattened. If the heart is at rest, the critter is not hit as hard.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Nov 30, 2008 16:18:38 GMT -5
Any doe less than 50 yards I aim for neck near the skull. Never had a one move and they were dead before they hit the ground. Since I process all my deer this makes processing much easier without all the shoulder damage.
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Post by den57 on Nov 30, 2008 17:14:26 GMT -5
I hit one thru both lungs last Friday morning. Broke a couple of ribs. It dropped right where it was standing. Never moved. The deer had been running before it stopped in front of me. About 100 yd. shot. T/C Encore, 6mm Remington, 95 gr. Nosler
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 1, 2008 4:55:59 GMT -5
Beats me; the only one I had drop and not even kick was with the 260rem rifle. No CNS hit, no shoulder breaking, just a double lunger. But was it running or calm? Calm critters will generally crumple up after a heart/lung. Adrenalized will run with half their chest blown away. Hearing that report again den57 still fiils me with joy!  ;D Yep, it was calm - completely oblivious to what was about to happen. |
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Post by Sleazy E on Dec 1, 2008 8:28:59 GMT -5
I would say that death makes them drop..... or I guess it could be the bullet/broadhead that rips through their body leaving a ragged hole through their life sustaining organs...
OK seriously I agree with OI... a spine shot will drop them every time.... a relaxed animal is more likely to drop than an alert animal... but the shoulder or hip actually does not mean a whole lot... I shot a doe when I was 18 with a ML and put the bullet through both front shoulders.... her front legs crumpled... but she pushed herself along with her back legs (not fast mind you) long enough for me to reload and finish her off...
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 1, 2008 16:19:28 GMT -5
The doe that I shot opening weekend of gun season ran about 400 yards, when dressing I noticed that I got a nick on the heart and both lungs, she was relaxed when I shot her also.
The doe my son shot this past weekend dropped in her tracks and she had been running prior to stopping 20 yards downhill from my son. That deer had been spooked by another hunter in our group who hit my son on the radio and advised that the deer was on her way to him. My son's first shot was right behind the shoulder and she went down in her tracks. When he got out of his tree and went to her she got back up and attempted to run, thats when he let her have it again and that shot put her down for good!
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 1, 2008 16:55:27 GMT -5
Ironsights is right. No magic formula If you shock the CNS that will drop em in their tracks.Break em down in the front end, shoulder joint, will drop em in their tacks also...Deer are also individual like humans each does his own thing some are pretty tough some are small and can't take a shock like a bigger animal.Too many variables to be that cut and dried...
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Post by den57 on Dec 1, 2008 17:43:08 GMT -5
dbd870, I wouldn't mess with that 6mm load to much. It seems to work just fine. If you need any more field testing done on any of those other T/C barrels, I'm your man. Thanks again......
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Dec 3, 2008 10:13:35 GMT -5
Relaxed body posture. Shot placement. Head (broadside), neck (broadside), between the shoulders (from treestand). All 3 drops em where they stand...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 3, 2008 12:19:53 GMT -5
The fawn I shot on the State Park Reduction was just starting to trot off with mom (no clear shot) when I put a 1/2" hole through & through her lungs. No bone hit. No expansion of the hardcast .357.   The impact nearly knocked her over, but she still went just over 20yds blowing blood out about 12" to both sides. |
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