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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 30, 2008 12:53:37 GMT -5
BO probably hired Billy Mays to do the intro.......
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 19:48:37 GMT -5
How soon we forget. The market was tanking during the late Clinton period and he didn't even have to deal with 911. The market had recovered and was moving forward till Pelosi and Reed got control. Big rich people....anyone remember Ken Lay and his crooked bunch? Klinton supporter all the way. And Bush has done what with Bin Laden?
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 20:06:10 GMT -5
Hux you can post all the numbers you'd like. You can read all day long and be as educated as you can be about small businesses. All i have to do is take a ride in the country and count the Mom and Pop shops that are no longer their.
If an employer can afford 15 employee's and cant afford to offer insurance of some sort, the business must not be doing soo well. Also if you read the NFIB website, they offer places for small businesses to join other small businesses to bring down the price of health care for their employee's along with the business owners as well. I'd be ashmed if i employed 15 full time employee's, and couldn't offer somesort of health care incentive. With what little i apparently know about our economy, just an ignorant blue collar worker and all, wouldn't you say the majority of people that are employed by small businesses never stay employed with that business long enough to get health coverage? Also, most businesses large or small require a minimal 40hrs a week to be able to get health coverage. Alot of small busineses such as landscapers work 9mo. a year, and unless they pay you while your off work, you would be able to carry insurance for 12mo. I suppose thats why carpenters, and construction workers join a union, to get the proper coverage that they desire.
Hey guys i'm just an average Joe, and i guess O'bama has most of us average Joe's on his side. Its a darn shame us average Joe's aren't seeing the big picture. Any pole you look at as O'bama in the lead, i know pole's are pole's and don't mean squat. I'd also like to ad, if the man was sooo "dangerous" why is it that Indiana is considered a "battle ground" state, when the republican party has had the majority in the state for a butt load of years now? I just can't take 4more years of the same. Sure MCcain will twist things that Bush didn't but its the same type of politics.
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Post by indianahick on Oct 30, 2008 20:06:45 GMT -5
Lug you may have forgotten also that the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico came into being during the Klinton years. Maybe you have also forgotten that The Nafta Highway runs right thru Indiana on its way from Canada (Toronto) to Mexico. Why couldn't Palin go from Governor to V.P.? Clinton when from Governor of Arkansas to President. Is it because she is a woman? Bull I have found many woman do many jobs just as well as a man. Actually they are no different when it comes to being workers. Some are not real productive and others do more than carry their own load. And yes I have worked for, worked with and had some that worked for me.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 20:40:00 GMT -5
Lug you may have forgotten also that the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico came into being during the Klinton years. Maybe you have also forgotten that The Nafta Highway runs right thru Indiana on its way from Canada (Toronto) to Mexico. Why couldn't Palin go from Governor to V.P.? Clinton when from Governor of Arkansas to President. Is it because she is a woman? Bull I have found many woman do many jobs just as well as a man. Actually they are no different when it comes to being workers. Some are not real productive and others do more than carry their own load. And yes I have worked for, worked with and had some that worked for me. Sorry but i understand completely the women place in the workforce just fine, americans need more of reason to vote for person that their race, or if its a he or a she. How long has Palin been Governor for? How long was Clinton Governor for? Huge difference. Same type of difference between how long MCcain has been in the senate compared to O'bama. By the way, if you haven't seen it already, MCcain runs that fact day in and day out.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Oct 30, 2008 20:40:01 GMT -5
"Mom & Pop" is not all there is to "Small Business".
I went phesant hunting with a "Small Business" owner recently. He has 15 employees - including himself. They hand build specialty CCD cameras for use by the Medical/Science industry. The business does about $2mil in Gross Receipts... the part that Obama wants to tax.
MOST "small businesses" are of THAT type, or are PSCs, or Dr/Dentist offices, or Tire shops, or Auto Dealers, or Franchise Operations (guess what - those McDonalds Employees are not paid by McDonalds... they are paid by the Franchise Owner... a small businessman) - not "Mom & Pop" stores.
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Post by danf on Oct 30, 2008 20:50:00 GMT -5
Palin has MORE experience as governer than Obama has as Senator. And yet you are ripping on Palin as a VP pick? Makes perfect sense to me.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 30, 2008 20:54:08 GMT -5
Lug you may have forgotten also that the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico came into being during the Klinton years. Maybe you have also forgotten that The Nafta Highway runs right thru Indiana on its way from Canada (Toronto) to Mexico. Why couldn't Palin go from Governor to V.P.? Clinton when from Governor of Arkansas to President. Is it because she is a woman? Bull I have found many woman do many jobs just as well as a man. Actually they are no different when it comes to being workers. Some are not real productive and others do more than carry their own load. And yes I have worked for, worked with and had some that worked for me. Sorry but i understand completely the women place in the workforce just fine, americans need more of reason to vote for person that their race, or if its a he or a she. How long has Palin been Governor for? How long was Clinton Governor for? Huge difference. Same type of difference between how long MCcain has been in the senate compared to O'bama. By the way, if you haven't seen it already, MCcain runs that fact day in and day out. The Alaska budget is 12 times what the budget was in Arkansas.. A common saying in Arkansas is "Thank God for Mississippi" -- because if it were not for Mississippi, Arkansas would have been at the absolute bottom among all 50 states in many measures of wealth and social progress. The state of Alaska has 29,000 employees - all who work for Sarah Palin. She has more executive experience that the other three candidates put together. It sure gets old, watching the MSM, so called comics and others dump on her. Mostly because she is as average a person as you and me AND BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN.
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Post by danf on Oct 30, 2008 20:54:32 GMT -5
"Mom & Pop" is not all there is to "Small Business". Exactly why I said "small businesses, by the definition of small business". IIRC, a small business can gross a couple million before it's no longer considered a "small" business.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 20:58:38 GMT -5
Palin has MORE experience as governer than Obama has as Senator. And yet you are ripping on Palin as a VP pick? Makes perfect sense to me. And why in the world would Mccain pick her for a VP? Attention, "look, i'll take a hot female into office" if i get another vote. Once again what a joke.,,,At least O'bama chose someone with experience. The governor of Alaska? Good lord, at least pick someone from the union. lol
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 21:01:19 GMT -5
"Mom & Pop" is not all there is to "Small Business". Exactly why I said "small businesses, by the definition of small business". IIRC, a small business can gross a couple million before it's no longer considered a "small" business. Yeah i can see how those small business that gross million's cant afford health care to there employee's.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 21:10:51 GMT -5
I hope so, Clinton was governor of Ark. 16yrs ago. Nevermind the butt load of oil, and natural gas reserves they have Your right woody, its common to take a governor that is so obviously horrible at his job and have them run for president, happens every 4 yrs or so Kinda sounds scary to me, every citizen in the state working for the same person, who just so happens to be the governor. Thats weird...Kinda Hitlerish Sorry Woody, but if that was you instead of her, i'd be dumping on you as well. I was ready for Hilliary, and last i heard she's a woman. BTW, its not average to have every citizen in the state working for you, if so, i'm wayyyyyyyy below average. I do well getting my kids to pick up there rooms! Must be a hell of a business, to employee 29k people. That kinda jack, i don't understand why she needs the state of Alaska to pay for her kids crap. I guess its just me. What a joke
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 21:18:21 GMT -5
For you Almighty Republicans, maybe i'll get more response to this question here.
Odd, we can find Saddam hiding in a sand hole, But yet we cant find Bin Laden anywhere? You want conspiracy, sounds to me like the republicans don't want to find him, or bring him to justice. 10 billion dollars a month going into this war, and we have yet to find the man that leads the terrorists? Give me a break. I know a few rednecks that could find his butt, and we'd only be out beer money.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 30, 2008 21:29:31 GMT -5
For you Almighty Republicans, maybe i'll get more response to this question here. Odd, we can find Saddam hiding in a sand hole, But yet we cant find Bin Laden anywhere? You want conspiracy, sounds to me like the republicans don't want to find him, or bring him to justice. 10 billion dollars a month going into this war, and we have yet to find the man that leads the terrorists? Give me a break. I know a few rednecks that could find his butt, and we'd only be out beer money. Then go get him. Nobody is stopping you. I'll tell you one thing - Al Queda has not attacked the US of A since 9-11-2001, have they? Isn't that what this war on terror is all about, keeping us safe? We took the war to them and kicked their rears. Vote in Obama and see how fast we go from a super power to an also ran. Barney and company have already said how they will gut the military.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 30, 2008 21:43:17 GMT -5
For you Almighty Republicans, maybe i'll get more response to this question here. Odd, we can find Saddam hiding in a sand hole, But yet we cant find Bin Laden anywhere? You want conspiracy, sounds to me like the republicans don't want to find him, or bring him to justice. 10 billion dollars a month going into this war, and we have yet to find the man that leads the terrorists? Give me a break. I know a few rednecks that could find his butt, and we'd only be out beer money. Then go get him. Nobody is stopping you. I'll tell you one thing - Al Queda has not attacked the US of A since 9-11-2001, have they? Isn't that what this war on terror is all about, keeping us safe? We took the war to them and kicked their rears. Vote in Obama and see how fast we go from a super power to an also ran. Barney and company have already said how they will gut the military. So in other words, you cant come up with a better excuse as to why we cant get the "ring leader" ? BTW if you haven't noticed, we aren't the "super power" we were prior to the war.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 30, 2008 22:07:28 GMT -5
Then go get him. Nobody is stopping you. I'll tell you one thing - Al Queda has not attacked the US of A since 9-11-2001, have they? Isn't that what this war on terror is all about, keeping us safe? We took the war to them and kicked their rears. Vote in Obama and see how fast we go from a super power to an also ran. Barney and company have already said how they will gut the military. So in other words, you cant come up with a better excuse as to why we cant get the "ring leader" ? BTW if you haven't noticed, we aren't the "super power" we were prior to the war. Really? Who is then? Who actually has a better armed forces than we do? Frank said he would cut the military by 25%.. this in a time of fighting terrorists. www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081024/NEWS/810240332/-1/NEWS10
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Post by chicobrownbear on Oct 31, 2008 3:08:03 GMT -5
Bin Laden is hiding inside the borders of countries who will not let us get to him. Look at Syria, they currently have their panties in a bunch because we handed a few terrorists their rear ends in two safe houses. THey are crying about their sovereignty as a nation to cover up the fact that they along with Pakistan are safe havens for the enemies of America.
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 31, 2008 8:15:22 GMT -5
lugnutz, there's a hefty reward for Osama...why dont you and yer drinkin buddies go get him? Think of all that beer you could buy then. of course ya wont have to look for him if Obama wins......He'll be nockin on your front door
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Post by Old Ironsights on Oct 31, 2008 8:58:53 GMT -5
Exactly why I said "small businesses, by the definition of small business". IIRC, a small business can gross a couple million before it's no longer considered a "small" business. Yeah i can see how those small business that gross million's cant afford health care to there employee's. He pays his employees quite well, with full benefits... but I can see why you are confused. Like most Socialists you look at the GROSS, not the NET. See, because of people like you, he has to report that his company "makes" $2mil, when in reality his company PAYS OUT somthing like $1.3mill BEFORE he gets taxed on the $2mil Gross Receipts. So he has only $700,000 left to pay taxes on $2mil... BEFORE he gets to pay employees or make any of those evil "Profits". (And this utterly ignores the Inventory Taxes and Property Taxes) So if you raise the taxes he has to pay out of that $700,000 that leaves him less money to pay his employees. Gee, that's got to be good for his staff.
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Post by indianahick on Oct 31, 2008 11:19:14 GMT -5
Barry Osama Obama want to meet with Bin Laden and work out the differences between what Bin Ladens ideas for America is. Now I don't know of anyone that ever capitulated to a terrorist and came out on top. Or he could do as a couple of other POTUS's did. One (Carter) hid and cried and did nothing. The other (Clinton) postured and posed and played with Monica. Hmm there is a similarity there beyond cowardice. They both were Governors. Guess that makes Ms. Palin a viable person for V.P.. Barry's choice wasn't made for his record or because he was strong. He's just a non entity that will not over shine the star.
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