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Post by huxbux on Oct 29, 2008 21:05:35 GMT -5
Hey OI, what you said may be true. But i wouldn't consistantly believe what i read from BLOGS! Blogs? No lug, the quotes were taken from liberal DEMOCRAT members of congress who are discussing this plan in the expectation of a Obama presidency and a supermajority in Congress. You must know that every single business be it large or small, is going to take a huge hit under Obama and they are all circling the wagons. The stock market started it's huge drop when the mortgage fiasco came to a head and is dropping like a rock because Wall Street DOES NOT care much for any democrat holding presidential office and especially not one so heavily into socialism. If you were paying attention, you noticed that the market went up almost 900 pts. on the same afternoon (yesterday) that the new polls announced that the race was tightening up and Obamas lead is shrinking. There is still hope on Wall Street that McCain can pull this out and any good news to that effect will cause a market rise. Sorry lug, but a socialist financial system will always fail, always HAS failed, and a quick perusal of modern history will teach you that. Make plans now and equip yourself to bury your guns lug, cause this supermajority is coming after them, make no mistake about it!
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Post by Old Ironsights on Oct 29, 2008 21:09:16 GMT -5
Sorry but i lost respect for MCcain when he chose Palin as a running mate. Governor to VP.. The ONLY reason he chose Palin as a running mate was to attract attention. Could you imagine Mitch Daniels as our VP, especially with the condition our country is currently in? What a joke! Did I ever say I had any respect for McCainFeingold? I don't think so. I'm a one issue voter. RKBA. Obama is not just anti RKBA, he is anti Self Defense. Biden is no better. McChurian was, at best, an NRA C- At least Palin is 100% Pro RKBA/Pro Hunter. RKBA is the ONLY issue. Everything else is negotiable... because without RKBA nothing the government decides to do to you is negotiable...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Oct 29, 2008 21:14:10 GMT -5
... My parents have been in business together their entire lives, Owned a Tavern in Mackey, IN: Then a small, mom and pop shop in Posey Co. They barely make enough to pay for their RX drugs, they both are in their 70's and can't afford to retire due to rising medical costs. And yet, I should be responsible for their problems - have money taken from me at gunpoint - for what reason? My parents are in the same boat, so *I* am helping *them*- to my financial disadvantage. I don't see why I should be forced at gunpoint to "help" your parents too.
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Post by huxbux on Oct 29, 2008 21:15:04 GMT -5
Actually, you're dead wrong about small businesses dying out lug. If you check out this website of the SBA, you'll find that the total GDP produced by NONFARM (we're not even throwing small farming operations into this equation) small businesses to be holding steady for decades at around 50%. www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs211.pdfYou've been snookered into believing Obamas liberal rhetoric which is a long way from the truth
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Post by danf on Oct 29, 2008 21:24:00 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that hux, you beat me to it. I work in landscaping. Only the largest of the "large" outfits in my line of work would not be considered to be "small business". Companies like Brickman, TruGreen, Davey, etc, etc. Many of the companies in my line of work are similiar in sizeto the one I work for- 5-15 employees. No health insurance doesn't mean higher wages either- the profit margin is tough enough as it is. Yes, I make more than the average guy off the street, but I've also got a college education in the field and 10+ years of experience behind me. Not only landscapers will take a hit. Carpenters (again, only the largest of the large wouldn't be considered "small business) would be hit hard. Many trucking companies would be hit too. You want to see business in America come to a SCREECHING halt, add even more $$$ to the checks the trucking companies need to write. Everyone is talking recession right now. Mark my words, if Obama gets in office, by this time next year we will be talking DEPRESSION. Scary thought. It's not the thought of Obama in office that scares me the most though. What worries me more than that is him in office with a fillibuster-proof Dem majority in the Senate. That happens lug, and you WILL be joining a union, and there WILL be layoffs.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 29, 2008 21:25:07 GMT -5
Actually, you're dead wrong about small businesses dying out lug. If you check out this website of the SBA, you'll find that the total GDP produced by NONFARM (we're not even throwing small farming operations into this equation) small businesses to be holding steady for decades at around 50%. www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs211.pdfYou've been snookered into believing Obamas liberal rhetoric which is a long way from the truth sry but small business do not employ 50% of our workforce.
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Post by danf on Oct 29, 2008 21:27:05 GMT -5
I can't get .pdf's to open on the computer I'm on for some reason, but small businesses, by the definition of small business, employ the vast majority of non-publicly employed people. Period.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 29, 2008 21:28:04 GMT -5
... My parents have been in business together their entire lives, Owned a Tavern in Mackey, IN: Then a small, mom and pop shop in Posey Co. They barely make enough to pay for their RX drugs, they both are in their 70's and can't afford to retire due to rising medical costs. And yet, I should be responsible for their problems - have money taken from me at gunpoint - for what reason? My parents are in the same boat, so *I* am helping *them*- to my financial disadvantage. I don't see why I should be forced at gunpoint to "help" your parents too. WTF are you talking about? Gunpoint? puff puff give man!
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Post by danf on Oct 29, 2008 21:30:09 GMT -5
The "gunpoint" term may be a little extreme, but he's referring to a socialized healthcare system, which is coming down the pike rather fast if Hussien gets in office..............
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Post by huxbux on Oct 29, 2008 21:35:25 GMT -5
Actually, you're dead wrong about small businesses dying out lug. If you check out this website of the SBA, you'll find that the total GDP produced by NONFARM (we're not even throwing small farming operations into this equation) small businesses to be holding steady for decades at around 50%. www.sba.gov/advo/research/rs211.pdfYou've been snookered into believing Obamas liberal rhetoric which is a long way from the truth sry but small business do not employ 50% of our workforce. I'm sorry to have to correct you again lug. www.nfib.com/object/smallBusinessFactsYou really need to google this stuff before you make these claims
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 29, 2008 21:35:42 GMT -5
Hey OI, what you said may be true. But i wouldn't consistantly believe what i read from BLOGS! Blogs? No lug, the quotes were taken from liberal DEMOCRAT members of congress who are discussing this plan in the expectation of a Obama presidency and a supermajority in Congress. You must know that every single business be it large or small, is going to take a huge hit under Obama and they are all circling the wagons. The stock market started it's huge drop when the mortgage fiasco came to a head and is dropping like a rock because Wall Street DOES NOT care much for any democrat holding presidential office and especially not one so heavily into socialism. If you were paying attention, you noticed that the market went up almost 900 pts. on the same afternoon (yesterday) that the new polls announced that the race was tightening up and Obamas lead is shrinking. There is still hope on Wall Street that McCain can pull this out and any good news to that effect will cause a market rise. Sorry lug, but a socialist financial system will always fail, always HAS failed, and a quick perusal of modern history will teach you that. Make plans now and equip yourself to bury your guns lug, cause this supermajority is coming after them, make no mistake about it! sorry hux, but every election i'm told my gun rights are going to be taken away from me, and thats every election whether it be for president, mayor, governor etc... and honestly i'm so disgusted from the way things are going now, i'd be willing to lose my guns to turn this country around and back to the way it was 10yrs ago. If i remember correctly the economy was going well the last time a demo was in office, also with a balanced budget. Honestly more of the same, will not work for me. Sorry i'm not for anyone thats gonna keep babying the rich for their decisions, the 700 billion dollare buy out, with my money is exactly what i'm talking about. A waste. Buy the rich out, screw the workin man. In retrospect, since wall street has crashed, my house payment is cheaper, my electric bill is cheaper, i can now afford to fill my gas tank each week, natural gas is cheaper. Basically everything is cheaper to buy now. Why is that? Its not because we have more oil, or less dependency? Would it be, because the rich isn't ripping the working man off like they once was? My wife and i were doing our bills this month earlier today, and we have more left over now, than we have in the past 12months,,,and we ain't making anymore!
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Post by huxbux on Oct 29, 2008 22:14:21 GMT -5
Yes, the scare mongers always use the "they're gonna take your guns" reasoning during election years, but this time out, it's different. The left wing radicals who control the Democratic party and want to take your guns have never had a supermajority. This time, if Obama is elected and they introduce legislation to do just that, understand that there will be NO WAY to stop them.
I'm sorry to hear that you are so easily willing to hand over your freedom for the promise of a little financial security lug. Realize that it's only a promise because once you lack the means to protect yourself from your government, tyranny will prevail and you will have lost everything.
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Post by raporter on Oct 30, 2008 5:59:58 GMT -5
How soon we forget. The market was tanking during the late Clinton period and he didn't even have to deal with 911. The market had recovered and was moving forward till Pelosi and Reed got control. Big rich people....anyone remember Ken Lay and his crooked bunch? Klinton supporter all the way.
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Post by danf on Oct 30, 2008 6:46:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that you are so easily willing to hand over your freedom for the promise of a little financial security lug. Realize that it's only a promise because once you lack the means to protect yourself from your government, tyranny will prevail and you will have lost everything. Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 30, 2008 8:17:46 GMT -5
Obama aint nothin but commie! Pick yer ears instead of yer arse and LISTEN to what the man is saying, and LOOK at who he surrounds himself with!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP!!
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Post by Old Ironsights on Oct 30, 2008 8:56:44 GMT -5
Lug... Before you vote for His Odiferousness, I suggest you spend the weekend up here on the streets of the South Side of Chicago... and see what "giving up your guns" and Barry's "Community Activisim" has lead to.
If you survive, THEN you can decide how much you like Chicago Style Government - because that's what Obama offers.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 30, 2008 9:53:42 GMT -5
And yet, I should be responsible for their problems - have money taken from me at gunpoint - for what reason? My parents are in the same boat, so *I* am helping *them*- to my financial disadvantage. I don't see why I should be forced at gunpoint to "help" your parents too. WTF are you talking about? Gunpoint? puff puff give man! So it's ok for them to take the money, just don't say it's at gunpoint?
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Post by Old Ironsights on Oct 30, 2008 10:46:46 GMT -5
And yet, I should be responsible for their problems - have money taken from me at gunpoint - for what reason? My parents are in the same boat, so *I* am helping *them*- to my financial disadvantage. I don't see why I should be forced at gunpoint to "help" your parents too. *** are you talking about? Gunpoint? puff puff give man! Stop paying your taxes... Then tell me about not "being forced at gunpoint". I love watching a good old fashioned IRS houseburning...
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Post by danf on Oct 30, 2008 12:27:45 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_adObama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Calvin Woodward, Associated Press Writer – In this still from video provided by the Obama Campaign, Democratic presidential AP – In this still from video provided by the Obama Campaign, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack … WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office. Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them: THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year." THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums. ___ THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care." THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers. ___ THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost." THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified." ___ THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. " THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals." --------------------------------- What also isn't said about what I quoted above is that the tax credit amounts to $3k. Woohoo. That may work for a burger-flipper at McDonalds, but it's not gonna cut it in the real world. Gee, it's like Hussien is out of touch with the real world.
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Post by drs on Oct 30, 2008 12:41:58 GMT -5
I see Obama has a special political message on Fox tonight from 8-8:30pm. Somebody watch it tell us what it said. I can't stand to hear his lying voice! I made a point to miss his speech!
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