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Post by cambygsp on Sept 4, 2008 15:42:55 GMT -5
One of my issues with the McCain Palin ticket is the fact I am pro choice.
I beleive a woman should have a right to abort a pregancy, I would hope they would choose life and or offer their child for adoption, however I would not like to see their option taken away.
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Post by Adam Brown (BGGoosekiller) on Sept 4, 2008 15:50:37 GMT -5
As a father, I have been with my wife during some of her ultrasounds. I have seen the baby's heart beating at 8 weeks old. (That is 8 weeks after conception.) I don't know how anyone could say that the baby in a womans womb is
a.) not a person b.) ok to kill
That being said, I would vote on this one issue alone if need be. Stopping the murder of baby's is more important to me than my job or the nations economy or any other social issue.
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Post by birddog on Sept 4, 2008 15:53:23 GMT -5
As a father and a grand father I say the only way a woman should abort a pregancy is IF HER LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Sept 4, 2008 15:55:06 GMT -5
The FIRST thing God gave to humanity after Creation was the CHOICE to do good or evil.
Who am I to demand more than God?
I'm anti abortion but PRO CHOICE on everything.
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Post by tenring on Sept 4, 2008 16:41:36 GMT -5
Only if:
1. Rape or incest 2. Continuing the pregnancy would result in the mothers death
Remember, Susan Bayh [wife of Sen. Evan Bayh [D] IN] terminated a pregnancy [forget reason] then had successfully gave birth to healthy twins.
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Post by oldrookie on Sept 4, 2008 18:18:32 GMT -5
Only if: 1. Rape or incest 2. Continuing the pregnancy would result in the mothers deat Prolife here unless stated above.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 4, 2008 18:27:39 GMT -5
Pro choice to a degree. Nothing after the first trimester, and you're only allowed one. I know, impossible to enforce.
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Post by bsutravis on Sept 4, 2008 19:58:21 GMT -5
Pro-Life with the exceptions already mentioned........
It's NOT above my pay grade to know when a new life has began.
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Post by 76chevy on Sept 4, 2008 21:25:29 GMT -5
pro life
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Post by huntnprayn on Sept 4, 2008 22:41:16 GMT -5
As a father, I have been with my wife during some of her ultrasounds. I have seen the baby's heart beating at 8 weeks old. (That is 8 weeks after conception.) I don't know how anyone could say that the baby in a womans womb is a.) not a person b.) ok to kill That being said, I would vote on this one issue alone if need be. Stopping the murder of baby's is more important to me than my job or the nations economy or any other social issue. Ditto
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Post by Russ Koon on Sept 4, 2008 23:51:36 GMT -5
Pro choice.
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Post by jackryan on Sept 5, 2008 0:34:59 GMT -5
I'm pro choice.
They make that choice when they decide to make a baby. It's murder when you change your mind 5 years later and it's murder when you change your mind 5 months later.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 5, 2008 7:32:26 GMT -5
Pro-Life with the exceptions already mentioned........ It's NOT above my pay grade to know when a new life has began. DITTO!
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Post by 10point on Sept 5, 2008 7:47:17 GMT -5
Pro-Life all the way!
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Post by drgreyhound on Sept 5, 2008 16:33:57 GMT -5
Pro life in every instance. Nothing gives a woman the right to kill her own child--not even if the child was brought about via the disgusting crime of rape. The fact that the mother has to live with the pregnancy and constant reminder of the crime for 9 months is part of the severity of the crime and should be factored into the rapist's sentence. If the mother's life is in danger, doctors can do everything to deliver the baby and help him or her live on his or her own rather than sucking his or her brains out the back of his or her skull or injecting him or her with a saline solution until he or she dies painfully.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Sept 5, 2008 21:05:30 GMT -5
(Jesuit Theosophy hat on...)
Actually Greyhound, GOD gives a woman that "right" - even if he deplores the decision. He has always given Mankind the Right to choose between Good and Evil.
Only MAN(kind) has taken it upon HIMSELF to decide to stand in the place of GOD and Judge his fellow man for that taking the choice that God has allowed - and will HIMSELF judge Men upon.
I, for one, will not suppose to be more precient than God and do not believe that MEN should create Laws to deny the CHOICE that GOD has given to men.
That doesn't mean I have to LIKE those choices, and it doesn't mean I have to personally accept those choices when they directly threaten me, but it is not my place to otherwise tell any man or woman what they may or may not do when GOD has given them that choice.
Their choice, their soul. All we can do - without hubristically acting in God's stead - is provide an example of Right... not mandate it. For to do so is to mandate more than God does.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 5, 2008 21:23:06 GMT -5
Ceratainly God gives us free will to do whatever we want.
That even includes obeying him or not. Our choice.
However there are repercussions, both here on Earth and in the hereafter.
If one truly believes in God and his commandments and that human life begins at conception then an abortion is killing a human being.
That violates God's commandment and we will pay for that some day.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Sept 5, 2008 21:40:59 GMT -5
...That violates God's commandment and we will pay for that some day. Absolutely. That is up tp God... not Men. Jesus deplored the idea of retributive justice - going so far as to negate the contemporary Legal Standard of "an Eye for an Eye". It is Mankind who has developed the idea of ex-post-facto retributive "justice" - not God. (God Judges at the moment of offense - but forgives after the fact. Men are wont to do the opposite...) God established the Law of Self Defense - and codified it in several places in the OT - but never repudiated it as He did with retributive justice. Retribution (vengeance) is Gods - and no one else's. The Laws of Mankind are, by in large, Retributive in nature - mostly because they were written to avenge those who would not take the moral imperative to Self Defense. Woe to those who afflict the innocent who cannot (as opposed to will not) defend themselves, for GOD's vengance will be that much more severe. But it is GOD's vengeance - not man's.
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Post by bsutravis on Sept 5, 2008 21:47:05 GMT -5
I'll take my chances with God in my judgement of those that feel it's perfectly fine to kill the miracle that IS an embryo, fetus, and infant....... I don't need anyone's interpretations of God's laws to convince me that I should toss up my hands and turn away from the fight or discussion of it being right or wrong. It's wrong, and damn those who feel that it is right!
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Post by Old Ironsights on Sept 5, 2008 21:59:06 GMT -5
Those that feel it's "right" are quite likely to be damned. But I wonder about those who also feel that they have the "right" to forcibly prevent a decision that God has allowed...
The Man who believes he is the agent of God's retribution is deluding himself...
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