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Post by cambygsp on Oct 10, 2005 3:32:48 GMT -5
Saturday at the place we were hunting we ran into two fellas that had a freshly harvested doe they had drug back to their vehicle.
We stopped and admired their kill, they had their gear spread out on the ground, tree stands, cooler and some clothes. On the hood of their Blazer sat a tricked out compound bow and a crossbow.
During the chit chat I asked witch one had a "crossbow permit"....the answer (with big smiles) was NEITHER!!!
"I was turkey hunting and he was deer hunting"
The dead deer had a perfect tri-angle wound right behind the shoulder, and no exit wound. Both bows had empty spots in their quivers.
Crossbow kill or compound kill?
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Post by grappledad on Oct 10, 2005 6:29:27 GMT -5
It had to be the compound.Everyone knows that if it were the crossbow every deer in the woods would be dead. I hear that all you have to do with a crossbow is shoot it near the woods, from any range and the deer just fall over dead, it's just that easy. That's why they are the devil.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 10, 2005 7:35:37 GMT -5
If I had to guess, I would say it was a compound kill since the arrow did not pass thru the lungs. But since the shot yardage was not mentioned, only those two guys know for sure.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 10, 2005 8:04:20 GMT -5
Since 99% of all game laws are on the honesty system it could be either one.
But not knowing any difference I would have to take the hunters at there word..
It is just too bad that crossbows aren't legal for deer also and this wouldn't be a subject. The crossbower could have hunted deer too.
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Post by kevin1 on Oct 10, 2005 8:54:03 GMT -5
I see some problems down the pike until they get this straightened out , every CO who sees a crossbow before Late Archery is gonna be stopping folks .
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 10, 2005 9:00:20 GMT -5
A bloody arrow or a bloody bolt would tell the story  . |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 10, 2005 9:09:40 GMT -5
Kevin1
Stopping folks for what?
As long as you have a valid fall turkey tag in your pocket, and are in a fall turkey season "range".....there is absoultly nothing anyone can do or say about it!!!!
With about 50% of hunters NOT even to have to buy tags (lifetime & landowner), and being covered for any game they want to hunt, you don't even really need to have tags in your pocket........you just gotta say 'I'm turkey hunting"....lol lol
Now here is the kicker.......
Is there ANY biological reason to not allow crossbows for fall turkeys? I bet there will be a push from some groups....we will see.
Sure would love to hear the conservation officer's take on this issue and weather they think there is, or will be a enforcement problem....................
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 10, 2005 9:16:39 GMT -5
A bloody arrow or a bloody bolt would tell the story . Your not required to recover your arrows (OR BOLTS), nor do you have to turn them in to, or over to anyone. Whats the law as for having both weapons with you??? Lets say you want to deer hunt the prime morning time with yopur compound, then go back to your truck and switch out to a crossbow and set on the field for a few hours mid-day for a turkey?  ?? Then back to deer for the evening hunt? To me, this is like a 3-shot limit on migrating birds.....BUT NOT HAVING A LAW THAT YOUR GUN MUST BE PLUGGED....just the 'honor" system that you will never load more than 3 shells!!!!!! |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 10, 2005 9:24:39 GMT -5
Camby,
I think you are bringing up a "much ado about nothing".
Since there are also squirrel hunters out there with shotguns and .22s this also could apply to them. In fact I don't think squirrel hunters are limited to those guns - maybe even centerfires are legal?
Centerfires will defienetely be legal for varmints (fox and coyote) come October15th.
As I said most game laws are on the honor system..
If the crossbower says he is hunting turkeys, he is hunting turkeys - unless there is evidence proving otherwise.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 10, 2005 9:38:42 GMT -5
The only problem there is that those other weapons won't leave identical wounds on the harvested game.
I agree 100%......If they say their **hunting** turkey, I don't see how ANYONE would be able to PROVE otherwise.
It may even be a little tough to PROVE what the animal was shot with as far as crossbow or compound. It's not like either would smell of freshly burned gunpowder.
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Post by reynoldss on Oct 10, 2005 13:49:56 GMT -5
I am glad to see someone post such a scenerio....it highlights the poor decision of not making crossbows legal for deer in the early archery season. Cracks me up....we are our worst enemy, plain and simple.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 10, 2005 13:53:14 GMT -5
They might not have made them "legal" to hunt deer in early archery with....BUT THEY SURE MADE IT EASIER!!!!!!!!!
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Post by reynoldss on Oct 10, 2005 14:43:36 GMT -5
My point exactly, why did they make it easier to be illegal? With the intro of fall turkey hunting, xbows should have been legal equipment for deer also. Perfect time to do it! Never have perscribed to the "lets do the right thing a little bit at a time" becuase someone might be offended.
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Post by jkd on Oct 11, 2005 0:34:10 GMT -5
Both bows had empty spots in their quivers. I only carry three or four arrows when I hunt, so I always have "empty spots" on my quiver... If I were a CO in that situation/location, I'd ask Mr. Turkey Hunter to see his pack/bag and see if he's carrying a turkey call or not... ICO: "oh, gee lookee... Tinks 69 and an EZ-Grunter... probably don't get many longbeards to respond to that combination... hey guys, can I see one of each of your broadheads, so I can measure the blade height to compare with the wound on that doe..." You didn't mention which one had put the transport tag on the deer... that would determine the legal question of who's butt may be in a sling if the x-bow shooter is stupid enough to tag "his" deer... And one final thought... an ICO can write you up for anything, anywhere, any time, and there is "nothing anyone can do or say about it..." Whether it stands in a court of law is another matter, but an ICO in the field has absolute discretion as to whether paper gets written. KD |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 11, 2005 4:08:46 GMT -5
I never asked any of those questions......I am not a ICO and didnt figure it was any of my business. I also don't hunt with a full quiver, 3 arrows are easier to keep track of than 5 are.
Not too sure how effective "calling" turkeys in the fall is. We seen plenty of turkey over the weekend, watched 17 of them for over an hour Saturday morning and they were all tight lipped. They never got closer than 60 or so yards.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 11, 2005 9:35:53 GMT -5
A bloody arrow or a bloody bolt would tell the story . Your not required to recover your arrows (OR BOLTS), nor do you have to turn them in to, or over to anyone. Camby I'm not saying you have to turn them over,just that if a Game Warden found it then he would know who did it . |
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 11, 2005 9:50:40 GMT -5
Sure!........
with an involved enough investigation, an ICO *MAY* be able to determine if there was any wrong doing.......
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Post by raporter1 on Oct 11, 2005 12:08:29 GMT -5
I hate scenarios where assumptions are made and cast doubt on another person, hunter or whatever. If the man said he was hunting turkeys so be it. As Woody said "It is a non issue". WHY ARE SO MANY OF US GETTING SO D@ ned JUDGEMENTAL? Sure glad I hunt alone, some of you might not like seeing me with a 30 year old bow or old military camos. |
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