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Post by goonegoosey on Apr 23, 2008 20:15:26 GMT -5
Out on the lake today and saw two groups of goslings. To bad the lake Manitou association oiled more than 150 eggs! (as reported in the Rochester Sentinnel today)  How can a Lake association oil that many eggs?  I thought the permits for oiling eggs were for land owners only?? |
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 27, 2008 2:19:50 GMT -5
I dunno goosey...... it makes me ill that we allow oiling and nest destruction of a bird that is otherwise protected. I believe in population control through safe hunting methods, not oiling.
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Post by johnc911 on Apr 27, 2008 7:52:15 GMT -5
Saw some thursday in Greenfield.
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Post by duff on Apr 27, 2008 8:32:25 GMT -5
...( How can a Lake association oil that many eggs? I thought the permits for oiling eggs were for land owners only?? They did it at Summit Lake State Park the last few years, probably this year too. That burns me that the state will do that on state parks where they didn't previously allow hunting, yet could be accomplished in a very safe manner. Glad to see they opened hunting there last year, hope it continues and the oilling stops. In some places oiling is acceptable to me as hunting in some areas is not an option, and relocation is not possible due to cost. Not to mention it has not yet proven to be effective. |
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 28, 2008 19:29:56 GMT -5
Great point Duff.... Amazing how the anti's come out of the woodwork to protest deer reduction hunts in Brown County State Park, but nobody cares about oiling eggs at Summit Lake State Park. Something just not right about ANY animal being exterminated just because it poops.
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Post by firstwd on Apr 29, 2008 11:31:39 GMT -5
Relocation is very cost effective for those who do the work, and the jury is still out on how successful it is.
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Post by johnc911 on Apr 29, 2008 16:15:04 GMT -5
The summit hunt was pointless no one showed up. The first weekend i think 4 groups showed up out of 25. I hope they do it again we will be there again thats for sure.
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Post by duff on Apr 29, 2008 20:10:23 GMT -5
Not sure it was pointless but not very effective in the actual hunting. You have to crawl before you walk. They (IDNR -- State Parks) hopefully learned a few things and will make it better. I could see them working a set up where they offer more hunting and make it less obtrusive (not shutting the whole park down).
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Post by duff on Apr 29, 2008 20:18:15 GMT -5
Relocation is very cost effective for those who do the work, and the jury is still out on how successful it is. Just wondering, how is relocation cost effective? Egg oiling is cost effective. 2 guys with a gallon of cooking oil can really do some damage. Habitat modification would be next, let the ponds grow up around the perimiter. Then maybe relocation. When looking at the cost of goose control. |
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Post by timdog on Apr 30, 2008 8:48:51 GMT -5
Great point Duff.... Amazing how the anti's come out of the woodwork to protest deer reduction hunts in Brown County State Park, but nobody cares about oiling eggs at Summit Lake State Park. Something just not right about ANY animal being exterminated just because it poops. Good point about the anti's, but the "poop" isn't the reasoning behind the oiling. |
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 30, 2008 10:24:53 GMT -5
Their poop is the reason.... Ask any Geist home owner and the first things out of their mouths is complaining about poop in their yards on their docks. The Summit hunt is only because of all the poop on the ramp area / beach area. Granted poop has health implications... but if the Canada Geese didn't leave their dropping, nobody would care. The same can be said about all the Starlings in Downtown Indy.
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Post by timdog on Apr 30, 2008 11:33:45 GMT -5
Granted, the poop is the reasoning for the homeowners, but not the reason it's been approved by the Feds.
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 30, 2008 11:46:52 GMT -5
I'll disagree...... The "extra" season (pre and post) were lobbied for by the IDNR, due to issues with the droppings. Nobody is complaining that the geese are eating too much retention pond grass....such as the case with what the Snows are doing to the breeding grounds in Canada.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the extra seasons and increased bag limits.... and I'm happy IDNR was able to get the extra seasons..... but again, I dissagree with the practice of destroying the eggs of a protected bird on the basis that their 'turds' are a nussiance. If the Canada Goose would relieve itself in the lake, or in a manner that is not noticeable than there would only be an occassional cry about a goose that has a bad temper.....but certainly not cries for help by dock owners who don't want to step in goose poo.
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Post by firstwd on Apr 30, 2008 11:58:47 GMT -5
Relocation is very cost effective for those who do the work, and the jury is still out on how successful it is. Just wondering, how is relocation cost effective? Egg oiling is cost effective. 2 guys with a gallon of cooking oil can really do some damage. Habitat modification would be next, let the ponds grow up around the perimiter. Then maybe relocation. When looking at the cost of goose control. I said for those who are doing the work. It can be an expensive choice for the ones paying the bill, but a very nice payout for those running an Animal Control business. |
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 30, 2008 12:07:13 GMT -5
I think there was a misunderstanding with your "Cost Effective" term on your first post firstwd..... I think Duff took it that you meant it was cheap to relocate, versus the reality of moving problem geese.
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Post by duff on Apr 30, 2008 13:39:04 GMT -5
Just wondering, how is relocation cost effective? Egg oiling is cost effective. 2 guys with a gallon of cooking oil can really do some damage. Habitat modification would be next, let the ponds grow up around the perimiter. Then maybe relocation. When looking at the cost of goose control. I said for those who are doing the work. It can be an expensive choice for the ones paying the bill, but a very nice payout for those running an Animal Control business. Big difference in potential profits for an individual and actual cost involved in relocating birds especially at a city or state level. I still think I could make more more of a profit and be more effective at goose control oiling eggs then rounding up families of geese for gassing or relocation. But I will leave that to the pros ;D |
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Post by timdog on Apr 30, 2008 14:44:44 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for oiling eggs, I just know the facts. Now, instead of rounding the birds up in July to band them, why not just whack 'em then?  That would mean less bands on my pro-staffer lanyard though.  |
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Post by firstwd on May 1, 2008 9:40:44 GMT -5
I realize my statement was misunderstood. No problem.
No, it is not cheap to pay for the birds to be moved. We and other ADC businesses do offer consultation and habibitat modification to discourage the geese from calling their piece of the world home, but that too can become expensive.
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I thought the permits for oiling eggs were for land owners only??
That would mean less bands on my pro-staffer lanyard though. 