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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 8, 2005 19:51:04 GMT -5
I probably won't make many Friends saying this but for the first post of mine on this sight it might be a whopper! I HATE 4-WHEELERS! I hunt public ground and only public ground and I am fed up with all the guys out there who think it's OK to use a 4-wheeler to get in and out of the field. Every year I see tracks on public ground from guys who are either cutting through public ground to get to their lease or property or I see guys who are hunting public and still using these blasted things because they are too lazy to walk. I understand that some hunters are bound by a wheel chair or are physically handicapped in some way, but I boil over when i see some guy too lazy to get off his butt and do some leg work. If you can't drag out what you kill, you don't need to be out there!You could say why not call the CO, well I say he's too busy to deal with stuff like this especially when I can't prove that I actually saw this slob on public ground. This being said what do you guys think? I'm not blasting the guy who chooses to use one on his own property, he can do as he wishes but the public ground is as mine as it is yours and rules are rules I'm not driving my truck on your front lawn so keep your 4-wheeler off our hunting ground!
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Post by raporter1 on Nov 8, 2005 22:22:24 GMT -5
Aw come on now ahawkeye tell us how you really feel . I could not agree more but I do make the call and the county has been very good in their response. ATVs and Jet skis .
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Nov 9, 2005 7:46:38 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said about the clowns that show no respect for public ground, except for " If you can't drag out what you kill, you don't need to be out there". Apparently you have not had to deal with serious health problems yet. My knees are shot , 2 bulged disc's, & AF heart problems. I am not a "lazy slob" by any definition. I stay as active as physically possible, but too many years of athletics & hard physical labor have taken it's toll on my 50 year old body. Just because I am not disabled, does not mean I cannot continue to try & to enjoy something that I have been doing for 32 years...ie "deer hunting". I have had to restrict my hunting style & the areas I hunt due to these issues. But, do not tell me I have no business doing something that is a part of what I am. Just because my body is worn down does'nt mean I should just find a hole to crawl in & die.
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Post by raporter1 on Nov 9, 2005 9:19:50 GMT -5
Deertracks, Sorry if I offended you but in other posts I have said I have no problem with using ATVs to bring your deer out. Believe me I do understand the dilemma of dragging out a deer when it is a severe challenge. I just want to keep those who destroy the forest out. I walk a lane to one of my stands and after a rain a couple of weeks ago the lane was sloppy because of mud made with thier toys.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Nov 9, 2005 9:50:48 GMT -5
Everything is cool raporter, we all have a right to our opinions. The sharing of personal insights & opinions on this board is what keeps us comming back for more.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 10, 2005 10:30:26 GMT -5
I still feel strongly about this no matter what your knees are like now, if you can't drag it out hunt closer to the truck, no four wheelers means no four wheelers.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Nov 10, 2005 11:33:46 GMT -5
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Post by thebears777 on Nov 13, 2005 18:05:45 GMT -5
You know it is really sad that a few incompetent non-caring people make life hard and not as fun for the rest of us. I love 4-wheeling with jeeps as well as ATV’s and Jet ski’s. I only ride in designated areas and I obey all laws!!! But because some people do not it gives all ATV riders or Jet Ski riders a bad name. You know I have had people tell me get off your jet ski and buy a real boat! I just laugh because sitting in a cove or back at the dock is my 100K-30ft cabin cruiser. Anyway the point is it really has nothing to do with the vehicle of choice its ass holes that make it so hard on all of us! I mean there are plenty of bad drivers on the road right? Do I hear anyone saying we should get ride of cars? NOPE!!! So please I respect all points of view just make sure your anger is pointed to the causes of trouble not the tools used. GOD BLESS THE SPIRIT OF THE WILD!!!
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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 14, 2005 11:18:09 GMT -5
I also think people should have to take a test every year to drive a car but that's a whole different story. As I said before if your on your own land, open the throttle throw up some rooster tails, and give it hell, just not on state property that has forbid any ATV use. To further make my point, I thought about you guys when I was dragging my deer out on Sat. morning.
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Post by indianadan on Nov 16, 2005 7:48:57 GMT -5
I HATE 4-WHEELERS! I hunt public ground and only public ground and I am fed up with all the guys out there who think it's OK to use a 4-wheeler to get in and out of the field. Every year I see tracks on public ground from guys who are either cutting through public ground to get to their lease or property or I see guys who are hunting public and still using these blasted things because they are too lazy to walk. Great logic there dude! I think that's the same logic the gun control people use....There are a few people who commit crimes with guns, therefore we hate all guns, and we should outlaw all guns. Makes sense to me. I thought of you too, as I was dragging a deer out of private property with my 4 wheeler. The temps were near 70 degrees and I needed to get this deer cooled asap. The 4 wheeler made short work of what would've been at least an hour drag, and the deer was skinned and cut up in time to make some fine eating for my family. If it weren't for the 4 wheeler I probably wouldn't have even shot at the deer. Yep, them 4 wheelers is the devil! ;D
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Post by squirrelhunter on Nov 16, 2005 11:45:03 GMT -5
Yeah I'll have to agree,it sure was nice using my 4 wheeler Sat. morning to drag my deer out ;D.
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Post by mbogo on Nov 16, 2005 12:56:34 GMT -5
I understand both sides of this issue. I have shared similar sentiments as ahawkeye while listening to atvs zoom around my treestand in the HNF, but my father and I use one to retrieve deer on private property.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 17, 2005 6:00:23 GMT -5
As I've said before if you're on private land and you want to use it go ahead, but if I see you on state or fed. ground where you're not supposed to be you'll probably hear about it. On the subject of me pulling my deer out, I prefer the old way of doing things, Fred Bear never used an ATV I doubt Jim Zumbo uses one on a regular basis, if I'm going to hunt I just want to be a little closer to the old way. The easy way isn't always the right way.
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Post by mbogo on Nov 17, 2005 7:22:16 GMT -5
Not to be argumentative, but Mr. Zumbo has used pack mules and horses more than once and I bet Fred Bear did a time or two as well, so they were just as guilty of taking advantage of an easier method when the situation allowed for it.
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Post by indianadan on Nov 17, 2005 9:23:59 GMT -5
Yep, I'm reminded of that song "You do your thing and I'll do mine" I can see hating the idiots that abuse the various ATV's or jet skis etc., but to come on here and make a statement that you hate 4 wheelers, or that if you can't drag it out under your own power then you shouldn't hunt is a bit misguided IMO....especially in the ATV forum for Pete's sake. ;D
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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 17, 2005 12:10:05 GMT -5
The original post was supposed to be on the deer hunting forum, Woody moved it and I asked that he move it back, my target readers were deer hunters in general, and he told me that it had to do with ATV's so this is where it was going to stay. So if this is the only way to get my message out then so be it, maybe some one out there who is breaking the law will read it and stop (not likely). As far as Zumbo and Bear are concerned pack animals are legal to use in most national parks so if that is the case that's OK by me, all of the state and Fed. owned land that I hunt (which is quite a bit) have set rules that prohibit ATVs. So, to further make my point NO 4-WHEELERS ALLOWED means NO 4-WHEELERS ALLOWED which is my original statement, the you do your thing I'll do mine is fine as long as your not dion' your thing in the wrong place.
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Post by bsutravis on Nov 20, 2005 9:02:01 GMT -5
I lived 10 miles from the Wayne Ntl Forest in Southern Ohio for 5 years which allows ATV's (up to 50" wide). I understand the arguments for banning off road traffic in Ntl Forests, but I think that there is certainly a place for ATV's as well. Wayne has hundreds of miles of trails...you could ride for hours and never pass another ATV. The CO's would stake out heavily used areas and ticket you if you so much as got a tire off the worn trail path.... You had to pay $25/year for a permit to ride... The trails would never take you right up to an area of interest, such as an area of geological interest...they would get you in the neighborhood, then you would have to hike to the spots. NEVER could a rider put through the woods to even retrieve a downed deer...you had to drag it to the trail. I don't have a problem with limiting a given riding area or something like that, but an all out ban is not necessary. People are always going to be breaking the laws...I would be upset if I hunted an area off limits to ATV's, but they were being used....but that's all about the person riding them, not the ATV itself.
Ahawkeye...take down license plate numbers, get descriptions of the riders, let the forest rangers know where you keep seeing violators. I'm all for you trying to get your area cleaned up if it's off limits... I just make the argument that if some of the forest was opened to restricted trail riding, it would take most of the violators out of the off limits areas and put them into the areas where they can legally ride, and get back to areas that they want to hunt.
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Post by 3ptbuck on Dec 6, 2005 21:17:12 GMT -5
Every once in a while I hunt a piece of public ground up near the Martin St Forest and I have been told that they did not mind us using the 4wheeler to go in and get our deer and back out. The second weekend of gun season my buddy shot a buck about 2 miles back a fire lane and there is no way even us young guys could have made that drag without a 4wheeler....If you can make that drag I'll give you my 4wheeler.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 7, 2005 0:13:27 GMT -5
I can make that drag, but you can keep the four wheeler, no offense.
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