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Post by mbogo on Nov 28, 2006 15:14:14 GMT -5
There is a lot that can go wrong with any shot at any distance. The outcome on no shot is ever guaranteed no matter what the distance might be. That 178 yard shot for PB, or a running shot by someone else may be exactly equivalent to a 75 yard shot for you or someone else of different skill.
Too many people spend too much time worrying about every other hunter instead of enjoying their own hunt.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 28, 2006 15:57:41 GMT -5
[/quote]Too many people spend too much time worrying about every other hunter instead of enjoying their own hunt. [/quote]
My thoughts exactly! h.h.
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Post by lugnutz on Nov 28, 2006 22:15:05 GMT -5
Again, co-dos for an accurate long range shot. I'm sorry, but there is just too much that can go wrong on that kind of a shot, or say a running shot. Can I make that shot ... maybe, maybe not. It is the maybe not part of that that will keep me from even thinking about it. I know my gun can do it, but my gun isn't pulling the trigger, I am and I'm human. I'll give you an example of what I mean. Just before gun season opened, I was at full draw on a 150 class buck. He was at 35 yards looking right at me. I could have sent an arrow right through the front of his chest. But, I held off. Then he turned and walked, I tried everything I could to stop him, but he would not. I could have tried the walking shot. Now, I'm no Randy Ulmer, but I'll stand on the shooting line with my bow against anyone and hold my own. I can make a 35 yard shot dead nuts with my eyes closed at a target all day long. I could even shoot the lights out at 35 yards at a slow moving target. BUT a deer is not a range target. A deer can move any direction at any time and FAST. There is an unknown factor as to what can happen and could result in a wounded animal. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to risk it. I took a beating by friends (gun hunters) about how they could not believe how I did not take that shot. Some just don't get it. Now, you can call me the Ethics Police all you want, but I find it irresponsible for anyone to take such a shot. A long range head shot with a muzzleloader, shot gun, or rifle is no different. One last second move by the deer and you've got another wounded animal. Same with a bounding away deer that someone empties a gun on. In my early days I took a running shot at a deer once. I got lucky. I've never taken a running shot since and I won't. I could have neck or head shot many deer, but good ethics tells my not to. So I'll call a spade a spade when I see one. Good accurate long shot, co-dos to the shooter. Lucky is the way I look at it. IMO, people need to use their heads before they pull the trigger. Even if this was to be true, how many things COULD go wrong when you sling this arrow at a deer in the woods? With all that COULD go wrong in bowhunting, someone that isn't a bowhunter would have a strong arguement whether or not its worth injuring the deer or not. The rifle i used this season shoots a sabot at 3150fps. That would be at least 10 X faster than your bow, and does considerable more damage than your broadhead. And i'd put a paycheck that says i can keep a tighter group at any range you'd like, than you can with your bow (eyes open that is). But yet a long range headshot is irresponsible? I head shoot a deer, its dead before i hear the gun go off, when was the last time you could say anything like that in all your years of bowhunting? Even a double lung slash heart shot, the deer still runs off in pain for some distance,sometimes several hunderd yards before it dies. Which of the two seems more humane to you? Good accurate long shot, co-dos to the shooter....But then follow it up with being lucky? Isn't this an oxymoron? Which is it dec? Lucky or Good?
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 28, 2006 23:56:57 GMT -5
The rifle i used this season shoots a sabot at 3150fps. That would be at least 10 X faster than your bow, and does considerable more damage than your broadhead. And i'd put a paycheck that says i can keep a tighter group at any range you'd like, than you can with your bow (eyes open that is). But yet a long range headshot is irresponsible? I head shoot a deer, its dead before i hear the gun go off, when was the last time you could say anything like that in all your years of bowhunting? Even a double lung slash heart shot, the deer still runs off in pain for some distance,sometimes several hunderd yards before it dies. Which of the two seems more humane to you?
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That`s simply your opinion that the animal runs off "in pain" after being hit by an arrow. After having watched several archery killed deer flinch upon being hit by the arrow, then resume feeding until they fell over, I`d say the SHARP broadhead is much more humane than the bullet/slug.
Back to the discussion at hand, even though it`s obviously NOT a popular opinion here, I still maintain that a shot that far, head shot or otherwise, is an unethical shot-especially at that small of a deer. What is there to prove that causes someone to take that kind of shot, when the risk of wounding and losing the animal is far greater than the likelihood of having made that kill.
And I appreciate your admiration Decatur-even though you disagree with me on the appropriateness of the shot-but if any one of us feels strongly about something, they should speak their mind. It takes a heck of a lot more spirit and backbone to stand against something everyone else is applauding than to be a sheep and not risk offending anyone.
Anyway-as I said before-anyone who would take such a shot would only be out with me the one time and I am very well aware of the unpopularity of that sentiment, but I never wanted to be one of the popular kids anyway.
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 29, 2006 2:11:08 GMT -5
I understand people's shooting skills do vary quite a bit; now if I had my 26" heavy barrel custom 308 with it's Leupold VXIII 6.5-20x scope with target turrets for easy rezeroing for a given distance, 2 way adjustable stock in a well supported position - a 178 yd. head shot at a deer would be a high percentage shot. My 30-06 sporter in field conditions........I understand hunter480's concern. I'll just take it as a reminder to all of us to consider that shot before you make it.
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Post by dec on Nov 29, 2006 7:43:03 GMT -5
I can make a 35 yard shot dead nuts with my eyes closed at a target all day long. I could even shoot the lights out at 35 yards at a slow moving target. Even if this was to be true, how many things COULD go wrong when you sling this arrow at a deer in the woods? With all that COULD go wrong in bowhunting, someone that isn't a bowhunter would have a strong arguement whether or not its worth injuring the deer or not. Uh ... I LET DOWN. I did not shoot. THAT WAS MY POINT. Why make a risky shot. I don't care if it is a doe or a record book buck, I'm not going to take a risky shot. Never once did I say that I took that shot ... did I? And, no it is not an oxymoron. IMO, he was lucky. Nothing wrong with saying "fine shot" even if luck was involved. Call me the Ethics Police, call me an elitist, I really could give a rats behind. I am so sick of this crap going on out there. I can't believe people were not taught better then this. If one of my buddies were on my land and took such a crack shot at a deer, I'd slap the ever living dog pizz out of him. It is sloppy hunting in my opinion. Enough said.
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Post by lugnutz on Nov 29, 2006 19:31:40 GMT -5
I can make a 35 yard shot dead nuts with my eyes closed at a target all day long. I could even shoot the lights out at 35 yards at a slow moving target. Even if this was to be true, how many things COULD go wrong when you sling this arrow at a deer in the woods? With all that COULD go wrong in bowhunting, someone that isn't a bowhunter would have a strong arguement whether or not its worth injuring the deer or not. Uh ... I LET DOWN. I did not shoot. THAT WAS MY POINT. Why make a risky shot. I don't care if it is a doe or a record book buck, I'm not going to take a risky shot. Never once did I say that I took that shot ... did I? And, no it is not an oxymoron. IMO, he was lucky. Nothing wrong with saying "fine shot" even if luck was involved. Call me the Ethics Police, call me an elitist, I really could give a rats behind. I am so sick of this crap going on out there. I can't believe people were not taught better then this. If one of my buddies were on my land and took such a crack shot at a deer, I'd slap the ever living dog pizz out of him. It is sloppy hunting in my opinion. Enough said. If anything, your funny! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by pigeonflier on Nov 29, 2006 21:27:58 GMT -5
Looks like meat on the table to me ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jameslyon on Nov 30, 2006 19:27:16 GMT -5
I used to practice with my bow at 40-50 yards a LOT. I shot a doe a while back at 45 yards with my bow. I KNEW I could make the shot, I felt confident, and the doe expired less than fifty yards from where she was when I released the arrow. Would I take a shot like that now? No friggin' way. I' don't practice at that distance nearly as much as I used to. I'm certainly no longer confident in my abilities at that distance. Could I make a 178 yard shot with my Encore? Maybe. Would I take the shot? No way. But I don't practice that long of a shot...ever. What if Psycho told you he practices with his muzzleloader four times a week and is VERY accurate out to 200 yards? Would that make a difference? It sure would to me. I agree, DEC, that the SLOBS that take these shots are very irresponsible hunters, but I think PB is probably very confident in his long-range shooting abilities.
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