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Dec 17, 2007 15:39:21 GMT -5
Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Dec 17, 2007 15:39:21 GMT -5
I bet he won't forget this anytime soon...Smokless powder Courtesy photo DELANEY CREEK BOTTOMS — Derrick W. Edwards’ muzzleloader after it exploded. Pieces of the firearm were found 7 inches deep in the ground. Edwards’ arm was injured, but he was treated and released. DELANEY CREEK BOTTOMS — Derrick W. Edwards of Indianapolis was injured when his muzzleloader exploded after he finished deer hunting Sunday in Washington County. Edwards, 46, suffered a laceration to his left forearm, and was treated and released at Schneck Medical Center in Seymour. He was injured while attempting to unload his .54-caliber muzzleloader at the end of his hunt. “Derrick W. Edwards also told investigators that he had loaded the muzzleloader with modern smokeless gunpowder instead of the required black powder,” according to an Indiana Conservation Officers news release. “Conservation officers recovered the firearm from Mr. Edwards and located pieces of the gun driven as deep as 7 inches into the ground at the accident scene.” Muzzleloaders should always be loaded with black powder or the appropriate substitute. They are not manufactured to withstand the extreme pressures generated from modern smokeless gun powder. “Mr. Edwards was extremely lucky he didn’t see a deer while hunting this morning,” stated Indiana Conservation Officer Phil Nale in the release. “Had he fired the firearms while shouldered near his head, his injuries could have been much worse.”
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Dec 17, 2007 15:43:14 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Dec 17, 2007 15:43:14 GMT -5
Excellent candidate for the yearly "Darwin" award.
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Dec 17, 2007 15:54:28 GMT -5
Post by firstwd on Dec 17, 2007 15:54:28 GMT -5
I honestly can't even comment on this.....
I will have to get with my ICO Information Officer and see if it is possible to get my hands on this for class purposes, if the man who did it will even let us have it.
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Dec 17, 2007 15:56:27 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Dec 17, 2007 15:56:27 GMT -5
I wonder if people even realize that MZ's are not pressure tested. Or that there is a legitimate reason they are not to be used with smokeless powder.
I bet many think, hhhmmmm, its thicker than my 30-06 barrel so it must be even stronger.
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Dec 17, 2007 15:57:58 GMT -5
Post by drs on Dec 17, 2007 15:57:58 GMT -5
I wonder if he is a member of one of the Indiana Hunting Forums?? He is very lucky it didn't kill him, and I am wondering how he got the idea of using smokless powder in a regular M/L designed for Black Powder ONLY.
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Dec 17, 2007 16:11:37 GMT -5
Post by dbd870 on Dec 17, 2007 16:11:37 GMT -5
Maybe he read somewhere the Savage would do it so.......
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Dec 17, 2007 16:26:12 GMT -5
Post by Hoosier Hunter on Dec 17, 2007 16:26:12 GMT -5
You can't fix stupid Reminds me of guy I saw at a car garage one time. He was degreasing car parts with gasoline while smoking.
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Dec 18, 2007 8:07:22 GMT -5
Post by drs on Dec 18, 2007 8:07:22 GMT -5
You can't fix stupid CORRECT!
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Dec 18, 2007 8:11:21 GMT -5
Post by parson on Dec 18, 2007 8:11:21 GMT -5
It's also amazing how many people think that you cannot overload a muzzleloader with black powder or pyrodex. "The extra just blows out the barrel."
THIS IS NOT TRUE!
Please observe legetimate load data, and do not exceed maximun reccomendations. parson parson
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Dec 18, 2007 8:30:13 GMT -5
Post by bschwein on Dec 18, 2007 8:30:13 GMT -5
Yep, unbelievable, well not really, there are lots of dumb people out there.
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Dec 18, 2007 9:46:31 GMT -5
Post by randyb on Dec 18, 2007 9:46:31 GMT -5
This happened only a few miles from my house. One of the reasons I hate hunting on public ground is that I fear I'll walk up ont he remains of someone like this.
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Dec 18, 2007 9:51:23 GMT -5
Post by duff on Dec 18, 2007 9:51:23 GMT -5
I know a man by that name and it wouldn't suprise me if he would do that. It would suprise me that he would hunt though, and I don't think he lives in Indy either.
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Dec 18, 2007 12:48:51 GMT -5
Post by kevin1 on Dec 18, 2007 12:48:51 GMT -5
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Dec 18, 2007 14:21:56 GMT -5
Post by drs on Dec 18, 2007 14:21:56 GMT -5
Yep, unbelievable, well not really, there are lots of dumb people out there. WAY TOO MANY!
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Dec 18, 2007 14:54:34 GMT -5
Post by chicobrownbear on Dec 18, 2007 14:54:34 GMT -5
I'm not saying I haven't made stupid mistakes before but this is fantastically dumb. Swilk, this one will have to go on the Darwin Awards honorable mention pages since it didn't kill him.
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Dec 18, 2007 15:14:29 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Dec 18, 2007 15:14:29 GMT -5
Perhaps you misunderstood me ..... go back and read my post again. MZ's are not pressure tested. I do not care if there are standards presented by the ATF, SAMMI, CIA, FBI or any other acronym. MZ manufacturers do not pressure test their guns. Some barrel makers stamp them with a generic stamp that means nothing but the gun itself isnt tested.
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Dec 18, 2007 15:56:05 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on Dec 18, 2007 15:56:05 GMT -5
Perhaps you misunderstood me ..... go back and read my post again. MZ's are not pressure tested. I do not care if there are standards presented by the ATF, SAMMI, CIA, FBI or any other acronym. MZ manufacturers do not pressure test their guns. Some barrel makers stamp them with a generic stamp that means nothing but the gun itself isn't tested. swilk, Now that statement isn't totally true. Savage tests each one of their muzzle loader barrels before it leaves the factory. But non of the rest like T/C, Knight, Traditions or CVA does. There is no industry standard pressure test set for muzzle loaders so the companies don't have to meet any certain pressure requirements. Some do stamp barrels with pressure limits but it is a generic stamp as you stated. h.h.
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Dec 18, 2007 16:02:58 GMT -5
Post by swilk on Dec 18, 2007 16:02:58 GMT -5
I was only talking about the non-smokeless MZ's.
Im sure SMI, Savage, Bad Bull ..... whatever flavors of smokeless there are out there all test, test and retest just like any other rifle.
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Dec 18, 2007 16:38:24 GMT -5
Post by beehunter on Dec 18, 2007 16:38:24 GMT -5
Heeeres your sign.
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Dec 18, 2007 16:48:17 GMT -5
Post by indianahick on Dec 18, 2007 16:48:17 GMT -5
Sometimes they walk among us.
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