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Post by swilk on Apr 17, 2007 15:09:43 GMT -5
Fellas, this will add an interesting twist to the gun control discussion IF it turns out to be 100% true.
He walked into a gun shop as a green card carrying, legal alien. Picked out a shiny new Glock ... plopped down $571 and walked out with the gun and a box of ammo.
36 days later he used the same gun to kill 32 people.
IF .... IF this is true ..... you can bet the farm stricter gun laws WILL happen.
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Post by swilk on Apr 17, 2007 15:19:04 GMT -5
""One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Cho held a green card, meaning he was a legal, permanent resident, federal officials said. That meant he was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. Roanoke Firearms owner John Markell said his shop sold the Glock and a box of practice ammo to Cho 36 days ago for $571. "He was a nice, clean-cut college kid. We won't sell a gun if we have any idea at all that a purchase is suspicious," Markell said. Markell said it is not unusual for college kids to make purchases at his shop as long as they are old enough. "To find out the gun came from my shop is just terrible," Markell said. "" news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shootingLinik to the story I read and a little snip-it ..... |
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 17, 2007 15:25:38 GMT -5
That really would make one sick.
The reality is there is no way to stop something like this short of armed guards, metal detectors and every door would have to have a lock to force every person to be "buzzed in". Next who's go to keep an eye on the security guards.
We just have to accept the realities of a free society and give everyone the ability to defend themselves at all times. (I'm really living in fantasy land with that statement, sigh.)
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 17, 2007 15:48:48 GMT -5
36 days. Note that not even the much ballyhooed "cooling off"/"waiting" period would have made one iota difference.
Hell, I can MAKE a 9mm submachine gun with unpowered hand tools in less than 36 days...
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Post by supr87gt on Apr 17, 2007 15:59:43 GMT -5
I heard on the news at noon that the 9mm and the .22 handgun he supposedly had, had the serial numbers filed off.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 17, 2007 16:39:43 GMT -5
36 days. Note that not even the much ballyhooed "cooling off"/"waiting" period would have made one iota difference. Hell, I can MAKE a 9mm submachine gun with unpowered hand tools in less than 36 days... . . . how much? And, could you do it for a .40? j/k btw, here is another to keep an eye one: Strange, and here I was under just the OPPOSITE impression. Knowing there were others in the room with guns might have kept this coward from doing this, and would have certainly given everyone involved a better chance at survival. |
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Post by drgreyhound on Apr 17, 2007 17:07:18 GMT -5
And I repeat--alien or not, sadly, if this guy wanted to kill as many people as he did, he would have found a way, whether he had access to a gun or not. The gun is not the issue--the person operating the gun (or other weapon) is.
I feel really, REALLY badly for the poor guy who owns the gun shop and sold the gun 100% legally...I'm sure he blames himself in some ways or on some level even though there was truly nothing he could have done. My prayers go out to him as well as everyone else...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 17, 2007 19:48:49 GMT -5
36 days. Note that not even the much ballyhooed "cooling off"/"waiting" period would have made one iota difference. Hell, I can MAKE a 9mm submachine gun with unpowered hand tools in less than 36 days... . . . how much? And, could you do it for a .40? j/k Not that I would sell one, but (A) a little less than $300, time included, and (b) not as easily, because the 9mm is a tapered cartridge particularly suited to non-manual extraction. Research: "The Expedient 9mm Submachinegun" by Philip Luty - Paladin Press, available at Amazon.com. McCarthy is a nut/douche bag kneejerk authoritarian police-state leftist. |
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Post by danf on Apr 17, 2007 20:30:39 GMT -5
Anybody see how NBC tried to spin this part of the story tonight?
My wife and I were both just shaking our heads... Sad thing is, a lot of the public will listen to them and even more will think that "guns are bad"...
Other armed civilians may not have kept this crazy kid from shooting up the place, but I gaurantee that the death toll (and injured) would NOT have been nearly as high...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 17, 2007 23:14:18 GMT -5
You are right. Bypassing the dorm murders for the moment, the shooting toll would have still been, at a minimum, 2. One inncent victim, and the Shooter (shot by a lawful citizen).
No one, not even cops, can stop a shooter from making the first shot.... but they can sure as hell attempt to stop his second.
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Post by drgreyhound on Apr 18, 2007 5:14:03 GMT -5
Anybody see how NBC tried to spin this part of the story tonight? My wife and I were both just shaking our heads... Sad thing is, a lot of the public will listen to them and even more will think that "guns are bad"... Other armed civilians may not have kept this crazy kid from shooting up the place, but I gaurantee that the death toll (and injured) would NOT have been nearly as high... Naturally CBS spun it that way as well, which made me mad... |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Apr 18, 2007 9:30:53 GMT -5
Fellas, this will add an interesting twist to the gun control discussion IF it turns out to be 100% true. He walked into a gun shop as a green card carrying, legal alien. Picked out a shiny new Glock ... plopped down $571 and walked out with the gun and a box of ammo. 36 days later he used the same gun to kill 32 people. IF .... IF this is true ..... you can bet the farm stricter gun laws WILL happen. Bad deal all the way around!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 29, 2007 22:16:54 GMT -5
. . . how much? And, could you do it for a .40? j/k Not that I would sell one, but (A) a little less than $300, time included, and (b) not as easily, because the 9mm is a tapered cartridge particularly suited to non-manual extraction. Research: "The Expedient 9mm Submachinegun" by Philip Luty - Paladin Press, available at Amazon.com. . . couldn't I just borrow your copy?  j/k I have never paid any attention to the 9mm. I never even knew it was tapered.  |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 30, 2007 9:01:42 GMT -5
AFAIC, every American should buy, memorize & hide their own copy... while we can. You can't buy it in Brittian - it's on the Banned Books list. Not bad looking for somthing made out of structural metal tubing and piano wire...  |
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