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Post by Sasquatch on Apr 17, 2007 9:20:47 GMT -5
Even now gun banners are elbowing each other out of the way to climb atop the pile of bodies at Virginia Tech in order to use the deaths to push their agendas. They will use this disaster, as they did successfully with a similar slaughter in Australia, to try and usher in sweeping gun bans.
People are going to want answers. Not real answers, like addressing the moral decay in society, because they might have to look in their own closets, but quick and easy answers. What can we do to stop crazy people from killing?
The only quick answer politicians can give is gun control.
Time to quit fighting ourselves. We can't catagorize guns, because the enemy won't. A gun is a gun is a gun.
Join the NRA. Millions of tightwad gun owners could do a lot to help if they'd give up $30 or whatever it is and join. If you shoot guns and don't belong, you are no different than people that don't work but expect to eat; you are letting other people pay your bills-- Living on gun welfare, so to speak.
We could be facing the biggest challenge to gun ownership yet. The storm is gathering. Are we ready?
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Post by drs on Apr 17, 2007 9:25:24 GMT -5
More Gun Control Laws is NOT the answer. There has been more gun related deaths, due to gun control, than there was before all these "Feel Good" laws were enacted.
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 17, 2007 9:59:36 GMT -5
You are very right Henderson! I heard a couple of sound-bites this AM on the drive into work from gun control advocates saying that this tragedy could have been stopped with stricter gun control laws....... Another audio clip was from a reporter talking about how the industrialize world is shaking it's head in disgust since the US is the only industrialized nation that allows such freedoms when it comes to firearms.
They all are overlooking the fact that this nut-job was under the influence of a power of evil much greater than any firearm....he would have made his statement somehow.
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Post by supr87gt on Apr 17, 2007 10:05:09 GMT -5
Yep. Mayor Daley in Chicago was on the WGN news at noon yesterday preaching about how more gun laws would have stopped the crazy kid from killing those students at VT.
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Post by drs on Apr 17, 2007 10:19:10 GMT -5
Yep. Mayor Daley in Chicago was on the WGN news at noon yesterday preaching about how more gun laws would have stopped the crazy kid from killing those students at VT. I would have like to ask Mayor Daley how would more Gun Control Laws prevented this kid from obtaining a gun and killing all those students? |
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Apr 17, 2007 10:32:08 GMT -5
I'm sure if guns were banned today,the criminals would be he first in line to turn them in..Yeah right!These people need to think with some common sense if they have any..
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Post by swilk on Apr 17, 2007 10:36:53 GMT -5
Extremists have no sense. That is one of the biggest problems.
Even if you could mysteriously collect and dispose of all the guns in the world .... the criminals would just use knives. Get rid of all the knives and they would use forks. And on and on .....
Criminals are criminals. If they followed "laws", currently in place of future enactments, they wouldnt be criminals.
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Post by drs on Apr 17, 2007 10:45:19 GMT -5
Extremists have no sense. That is one of the biggest problems. Even if you could mysteriously collect and dispose of all the guns in the world .... the criminals would just use knives. Get rid of all the knives and they would use forks. And on and on ..... Criminals are criminals. If they followed "laws", currently in place of future enactments, they wouldnt be criminals. Also remember the Hyjackers on 9/ll used Box Cutters to take over the planes that hit the world trade center. |
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Post by swilk on Apr 17, 2007 10:49:04 GMT -5
A criminal will use rocks if that is all that is available.
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Post by jkd on Apr 17, 2007 11:32:53 GMT -5
This is not a gun control issue, as it was not a gun control issue at Columbine, etc.... the issue is a problem of increasing societal violence, anger management and mental health... those are the problems we need to solve... Several recent examples of genocide which have taken place in Africa were perpetrated with machetes... was a lack of "machete control laws" the problem there....  The Koran teaches it is wrong to kill, as does the Bible, but that hasn't stopped the whabi zealots from literally re-writing their own version of the Koran and teaching children that it's ok to kill others if those others don't follow whabi islam... is that a gun control issue... And of course we can look at those stellar societal experiments of total gun control a la Stalin and Hitler for a truly enlightening view of what society can become with really strict gun control laws... Mexico and Columbia have very strict firearms laws for the "average citizen"... has crime and violence been eliminated in those countries??? Noticed the recent trend of violence on the homeless... ? Maybe we should enact a law against that.... no wait... we've already got laws against that... hmmm... This country has had guns for a couple of centuries, but the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres are a relatively recent trend... did the guns "change" in the past couple of decades??? Let's work on the real problems and resist the urge to once again enact "feel good" laws that do nothing to solve those real problems... |
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Post by indianahick on Apr 17, 2007 13:24:41 GMT -5
Illegal firearms will come in with illegal drugs. Criminals have their own pipelines to firearms. It will not stop with the outlawing of firearms. Join the NRA and fight the zealots.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 17, 2007 13:28:28 GMT -5
ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization April 17, 2007 JPFO ALERT: Don't Give an Inch! Everyone has heard about yesterday's tragic mass shooting on the Virginia Tech Campus that left 33 dead, including the gunman. Our deepest condolences go out to the families of those victims. As can be expected, gun-prohibitionists are crawling out of the woodwork to lay the blame squarely on the availability of firearms. But how can they? Virginia law states that holders of concealed carry permits are allowed to carry on university campuses ( www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/80510 ). In the name of "safety", certain persons lobbied successfully to prevent the carrying of firearms on Virginia Tech's campus. Yesterday's massacre was the direct result of that lobbying.Did the rules forbidding the carrying of firearms prevent Seung Hui Cho's senseless slaughter? Obviously not. In fact, the rules encouraged his rampage because law- abiding citizens were unable to prevent Cho from completing his butchery. The blood of those 32 innocents is on the hands of those who lobbied for victim disarmament, and on the hands of the president of the university who acquiesed to their short- sighted demands. Their hoplophobia did nothing but ensure that larger numbers of individuals died at the hands of a psychotic. Speaking of hoplophobia -- we watched with interest the reporting of Nightline's Terry Moran on the slaying during Monday night's special Nightline edition . He showed classic signs of the mental health issues outlined in Dr. Sarah Thompson's classic article, "Raging Against Self- Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines the Anti-Gun Mentality" ( www.jpfo.org/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm ). Despite logic and reason, other gun-prohibitionists will no doubt callously use this incident to push their "gun control" schemes, either out of irrational fear or a desire for control. We must stand fast and refuse to give in to their emotional rhetoric. "Gun control" would not have prevented this terrible tragedy -- "gun control" _caused_ this tragedy. _Evil people find a way to kill_. It's that simple. For perspective, this degree of suicide-killing (or mass- killing via car-bombs) happens about *three times a week in Iraq.* Terror bombers kill in a big way in an attempt to drive policy decisions. Even the U.S. military cannot stop all the bombings in Iraq -- the people who perform them are intent on making their statements via mass murder. Likewise, the U.S. gov't won't be able to stop all of the suicide killings here. Just as we don't accept the terrorists' killings as policy arguments, we should not let domestic terrorism events like this shooting be treated as policy arguments.The questions are: what can be done to detect the potential perpetrators? what can be done defensively so that perpetrators cannot do as much damage? VA Tech's response was lousy: they did not take the kind of action needed to respond to a multiple murder on campus when the suspect is on the loose. Likewise, they had assured a defense-free environment, so that the killer could not be stopped by equal force. VA Tech's ill-considered policies and responses do not create reasons to disarm non-violent people as a national policy -- yet that will be called for. Don't let the hoplophobes use this incident as fodder for your disarmament. - The Liberty Crew ============================================================ JPFO mirror site: www.jpfo.net============================================================ LET JPFO KEEP YOU INFORMED -- Sign up today for JPFO Alerts! Just send a blank e-mail to jpfoalerts-subscribe@jpfo.org. To unsubscribe, send a blank email to jpfoalerts-unsubscribe@jpfo.org ============================================================= Regain your freedom - download the song "Justice Day" today! www.rebelfirerock.com/downloadjd.html============================================================= Original Material in JPFO ALERTS is Copyright 2006 JPFO, Inc. Permission is granted to reproduce this alert in full, so long as the following JPFO contact information is included: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership PO Box 270143 Hartford, Wisconsin 53027 |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Apr 17, 2007 13:30:56 GMT -5
Excellent post Henderson! These kooky shooters really get me fired-up! Yeah, leave notes & blame others for him being a looooooooooosers!!!!!!!
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 17, 2007 15:04:07 GMT -5
You never know; but it's not unreasonable to assume there was at least a fair chance the number murdered would have been quite a bit less. Too many people just don't see it, do they.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 17, 2007 15:24:11 GMT -5
I am a member of the NRA, and I think your post was dead on.
If everyone who owned a gun, joined, the NRA could simply go on National TV PRIMETIME and call these antis liars to their face and then go on to prove it.
Americans are not stupid, but many are very trusting, as surprising as that sounds in todays world.
The only power the antis have is this simple fact.
The public needs to be educated, and soon, or the anti's will eventually convince enough non gun owners that vote guns are the real problem.
Absolutely 100% on target!
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Post by hunter480 on Apr 17, 2007 16:47:53 GMT -5
Even now gun banners are elbowing each other out of the way to climb atop the pile of bodies at Virginia Tech in order to use the deaths to push their agendas. They will use this disaster, as they did successfully with a similar slaughter in Australia, to try and usher in sweeping gun bans. People are going to want answers. Not real answers, like addressing the moral decay in society, because they might have to look in their own closets, but quick and easy answers. What can we do to stop crazy people from killing? The only quick answer politicians can give is gun control. Time to quit fighting ourselves. We can't catagorize guns, because the enemy won't. A gun is a gun is a gun. Join the NRA. Millions of tightwad gun owners could do a lot to help if they'd give up $30 or whatever it is and join. If you shoot guns and don't belong, you are no different than people that don't work but expect to eat; you are letting other people pay your bills-- Living on gun welfare, so to speak. We could be facing the biggest challenge to gun ownership yet. The storm is gathering. Are we ready? Awesome post Henderson-I wish I had written it. ;D And you`re exactly correct-anyone who makes excuses for not being an NRA member is a slacker, and IS letting us do all their work to keep the Second Amendment strong. There are an estimated 80 million gun owners in the US, yet only slightly more than 4 million of us in NRA-we are a powerful force with 4 million of us, think how much clout we`d have with 10 million members, 15 million, 20 million......... As the attacks on our gun rights get more politicized, more frequent and more intense, it will take more and more to stem the tide-more money, more grassroots activity, and more membership just to show how many citizens and voters understand how critical the Second Amendment is to the average, law-abiding citizen for self-defense. If you`re already a member, thank you for being part of the sentry, keeping guard on our rights and freedoms-if you`re not already a member, lose the excuses and get on the bandwagon-we need you all. NRA Endowment-Life Member  |
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Post by Sasquatch on Apr 18, 2007 7:34:20 GMT -5
Well said folks. Stick together!!!
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