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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 25, 2007 6:37:41 GMT -5
[Congressional Record: March 20, 2007 (Senate)]
[Page S3347-S3348]
>From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:cr20mr07-117]
ASSAULT WEAPONS
Mr. LEVIN - Mr. President, the National Rifle Association leadership
has stated repeatedly that a ban on assault weapons is ineffective and
unnecessary. They assert that guns labeled as assault weapons are
rarely used in violent crimes and that most people use them for
hunting. However, despite these repeated assertions, the list of
people speaking out against assault weapons continues to grow.
Jim Zumbo, an outdoors entrepreneur who lives in a log cabin near
Yellowstone National Park, has spent much of his life writing for
prominent outdoor magazines, delivering lectures across the country and
who starred in a highly rated TV show about big-game hunting. Jim has
been an NRA member for 40 years, and, according to his Web site, has
appeared with NRA officials in 70 cities across the country. This
relationship changed drastically when Jim expressed his commonsense
opinion on assault weapons.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 25, 2007 7:01:55 GMT -5
Traitor!
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 25, 2007 7:17:04 GMT -5
This is why his blog was so stupid; the opposition would be out of their mind if they didn't jump all over this. A prominent outdoor writer says there is no good reason to own a semi-auto. That's like Ingrid Newkirk of PETA sayng there is no good reason to protest deer hunts. Would we not delight in a statement that dumb? His career is over, but it matters not, because the damage was done when he hit the SEND button. I believe Zumbo's post is the single most damaging act commited by anyone in the gun industry in many years.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Mar 25, 2007 9:47:50 GMT -5
This is why his blog was so stupid; the opposition would be out of their mind if they didn't jump all over this. A prominent outdoor writer says there is no good reason to own a semi-auto. That's like Ingrid Newkirk of PETA sayng there is no good reason to protest deer hunts. Would we not delight in a statement that dumb? His career is over, but it matters not, because the damage was done when he hit the SEND button. I believe Zumbo's post is the single most damaging act commited by anyone in the gun industry in many years. Ditto. |
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 25, 2007 10:10:03 GMT -5
This is why his blog was so stupid; the opposition would be out of their mind if they didn't jump all over this. A prominent outdoor writer says there is no good reason to own a semi-auto. That's like Ingrid Newkirk of PETA sayng there is no good reason to protest deer hunts. Would we not delight in a statement that dumb? His career is over, but it matters not, because the damage was done when he hit the SEND button. I believe Zumbo's post is the single most damaging act commited by anyone in the gun industry in many years. Hardly henderson. You, along with too many others are giving way too much power to the misspoken words Zumbo threw out that day. The truth is, Zumbo spoke only for Zumbo, as Remington Arms, Outdoor Life Magazine, and all the rabid, nasty, foul attacking posts on his blog made so crystal clear. And just to clarify-Zumbo NEVER said that hunters don`t need semi-auto weapons-he stated that hunters didn`t need “assault weapons”. Clearly, you`re doing exactly what the media and the anti`s do, purposely confusing the issue-I say you should be an outcast, your career ruined, and banned from this forum for good. It makes me boil to see a mans character attacked and demeaned, and in such a mean spirited way, because of a thoughtless few moments. I`ve said before, I can see that Zumbo will be exactly like Coach Knight-some of you will kick that dog every chance you get from now on-and it`s a pretty sad statement. My suggestion would be for everyone to look for the root of all that anger-not so much the object of it`s fury. Oh, and-since we`re all obviously on a zero-tolerance policy-hope none of those riding on a high horse fall very soon.  |
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Post by pbr on Mar 25, 2007 13:28:02 GMT -5
Jim Zumbo was a laid back good old boy that over the year became a spokesperson for hunting and guns.
Jim was pretty good at articulating his position and beliefs.
He was NOT very good at staying up with the times. It was not misspeak,. he meant what he said because he was totally ignorant of the black rifles excellent use in hunting.
Being ignorant and a spokesperson is pretty dangerous no matter which side that a person is on.
His words will be used time and time again against us. We could get up a pool on here how many times the name Jim Zumbo will be used in the upcoming debates on HB 1022.
I've got dibs on over 500.
Sorry, but Jim is a behind the times, incompetent spokesperson. Time for him to step down and out of the way.
Spokespersons for us are there because we put them there. If we put them there, surely we can remove them.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 25, 2007 13:41:00 GMT -5
Jim Zumbo was a laid back good old boy that over the year became a spokesperson for hunting and guns. Jim was pretty good at articulating his position and beliefs. He was NOT very good at staying up with the times. It was not misspeak,. he meant what he said because he was totally ignorant of the black rifles excellent use in hunting. Being ignorant and a spokesperson is pretty dangerous no matter which side that a person is on. His words will be used time and time again against us. We could get up a pool on here how many times the name Jim Zumbo will be used in the upcoming debates on HB 1022. I've got dibs on over 500. Sorry, but Jim is a behind the times, incompetent spokesperson. Time for him to step down and out of the way. Spokespersons for us are there because we put them there. If we put them there, surely we can remove them. He wasn`t “removed” as a spokesman-his career was squashed, his character and integrity were defamed, and he was subjected to an array of mindless filthy personal attacks by folks who couldn`t even spell their tawdry insults correctly. Feel good about being a part of that mindset and that group-oh yeah, you sure showed Zumbo. |
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Post by racktracker on Mar 25, 2007 13:50:46 GMT -5
Jim Zumbo was a laid back good old boy that over the year became a spokesperson for hunting and guns. Jim was pretty good at articulating his position and beliefs. He was NOT very good at staying up with the times. It was not misspeak,. he meant what he said because he was totally ignorant of the black rifles excellent use in hunting. Being ignorant and a spokesperson is pretty dangerous no matter which side that a person is on. His words will be used time and time again against us. We could get up a pool on here how many times the name Jim Zumbo will be used in the upcoming debates on HB 1022. I've got dibs on over 500. Sorry, but Jim is a behind the times, incompetent spokesperson. Time for him to step down and out of the way. Spokespersons for us are there because we put them there. If we put them there, surely we can remove them. He wasn`t “removed” as a spokesman-his career was squashed, his character and integrity were defamed, and he was subjected to an array of mindless filthy personal attacks by folks who couldn`t even spell their tawdry insults correctly. Feel good about being a part of that mindset and that group-oh yeah, you sure showed Zumbo. "His career" and being "spokesman" was synomous. He has absolutely no one to blame but himself. In his half hearted apologies he even said as much. In this battle for our second amendment rights a person is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground. If you straddle the fence we will leave you there. If you give ammunition to the opposing side you're gone. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. He aided and abetted and gave ammunition to the enemy. He got EXACTLY what he deserved. He needs to go BACK to Montana, sit on the porch, whittle AND KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT. We don't need, nor want his help. |
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 25, 2007 14:06:39 GMT -5
He wasn`t “removed” as a spokesman-his career was squashed, his character and integrity were defamed, and he was subjected to an array of mindless filthy personal attacks by folks who couldn`t even spell their tawdry insults correctly. Feel good about being a part of that mindset and that group-oh yeah, you sure showed Zumbo. "His career" and being "spokesman" was synomous. He has absolutely no one to blame but himself. In his half hearted apologies he even said as much. In this battle for our second amendment rights a person is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground. If you straddle the fence we will leave you there. If you give ammunition to the opposing side you're gone. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. He aided and abetted and gave ammunition to the enemy. He got EXACTLY what he deserved. He needs to go BACK to Montana, sit on the porch, whittle AND KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT. We don't need, nor want his help. I`m as rabid Second Amendment as ANY ONE of you-MORESO than most of you-I don`t make excuses about why I`m not an NRA member, (they ask for money too much, snif). I DO NOT straddle the fence in regards to gun rights-I`m not talking about gun rights, I`m talking about how many of you attacked a man, and still today, act as if you`re somehow better than. THAT`S what I`m talking about. You are a great bunch of folks here-however, at this particular moment, I`m disgusted by many of you. And DO NOT talk down to me- |
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Post by racktracker on Mar 25, 2007 14:23:00 GMT -5
"His career" and being "spokesman" was synomous. He has absolutely no one to blame but himself. In his half hearted apologies he even said as much. In this battle for our second amendment rights a person is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground. If you straddle the fence we will leave you there. If you give ammunition to the opposing side you're gone. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. He aided and abetted and gave ammunition to the enemy. He got EXACTLY what he deserved. He needs to go BACK to Montana, sit on the porch, whittle AND KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT. We don't need, nor want his help. I`m as rabid Second Amendment as ANY ONE of you-MORESO than most of you-I don`t make excuses about why I`m not an NRA member, (they ask for money too much, snif). I DO NOT straddle the fence in regards to gun rights-I`m not talking about gun rights, I`m talking about how many of you attacked a man, and still today, act as if you`re somehow better than. THAT`S what I`m talking about. You are a great bunch of folks here-however, at this particular moment, I`m disgusted by many of you. And DO NOT talk down to me- I think that you are taking things way to personal. No one was "talking down to you". Get a grip. The "you" in the sentences -"If you straddle the fence we will leave you there" AND "If you give ammunition to the opposing side you're gone. No ifs, ands, or buts about it" is GENERIC.As a conduit of espousing something that affects my gun rights and basically calling me a "terrorist" you're darned right I will "attack the man" or woman or whoever says it. He took a page right out of the anti-gunner handbook and beat us over the head. He's gone from a position to ever do that gain and I'm glad. It is a free country to say whatever a person wants to say, but we have to realize we can suffer the consequences for what we say. We were his employer through proxy by buying the goods of the companies that he represented and by golly we fired him. I work for a large manufacturing company and if I went on publc record denouncing them I would be gone before I got back to the office. He bit the hand that fed him. BYE Jim...... |
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 25, 2007 14:26:59 GMT -5
I`m as rabid Second Amendment as ANY ONE of you-MORESO than most of you-I don`t make excuses about why I`m not an NRA member, (they ask for money too much, snif). I DO NOT straddle the fence in regards to gun rights-I`m not talking about gun rights, I`m talking about how many of you attacked a man, and still today, act as if you`re somehow better than. THAT`S what I`m talking about. You are a great bunch of folks here-however, at this particular moment, I`m disgusted by many of you. And DO NOT talk down to me- I think that you are taking things way to personal. No one was "talking down to you". Get a grip. The "you" in the sentences -"If you straddle the fence we will leave you there" AND "If you give ammunition to the opposing side you're gone. No ifs, ands, or buts about it" is GENERIC.As a conduit of espousing something that affects my gun rights and basically calling me a "terrorist" you're darned right I will "attack the man" or woman or whoever says it. He took a page right out of the anti-gunner handbook and beat us over the head. He's gone from a position to ever do that gain and I'm glad. It is a free country to say whatever a person wants to say, but we have to realize we can suffer the consequences for what we say. We were his employer through proxy by buying the goods of the companies that he represented and by golly we fired him. I work for a large manufacturing company and if I went on publc record denouncing them I would be gone before I got back to the office. He bit the hand that fed him. BYE Jim......  |
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 25, 2007 17:33:25 GMT -5
This is why his blog was so stupid; the opposition would be out of their mind if they didn't jump all over this. A prominent outdoor writer says there is no good reason to own a semi-auto. That's like Ingrid Newkirk of PETA sayng there is no good reason to protest deer hunts. Would we not delight in a statement that dumb? His career is over, but it matters not, because the damage was done when he hit the SEND button. I believe Zumbo's post is the single most damaging act commited by anyone in the gun industry in many years. I not only agree 100%, I think it goes well beyond that actually. This is only my opinion, of course. I think his article was VERY carefully worded, and the effect was simply not what he expected. He is no more ignorant of an AR-15 than I am, as I have never owned or even shot one myself. I am still not so stupid I am not fully aware of their various uses, or that they are NO different than any other semi auto varmint rifle other than looks. Nor is any other sportsman who read his articles. But, the NON hunters, are a different matter. They would only see a REAL sportsmen finally ready to admit IN PUBLIC that a certain gun really IS a bad gun, and has no real value to REAL hunters or sportsmen. I think he fully expected such a huge wave of support from the general public to MORE than make up for those he was tossing to the wolves. I simply think he overlooked the reaction from the rest of the hunting world is all. I think he expected a much larger percentage of hunters would be just as willing to cut their brothers throat myself. |
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Post by pbr on Mar 25, 2007 17:50:34 GMT -5
John,
That is very plausible explanation. I never thought of it that way.
I think Jim could have thought that the shiny stocked Weatherby shooter/hunters would rally around his missive and say "Amen, Jim! Tell it like it is!"
They didn't and he went under.
Either that or a lifetime of hunting and shooting he learned nothing about black ugly rifles that are good shooters/hunters.
There is a BIG world out there of people who shoot and like these guns and don't hunt. He didn't step on their toes, he stomped on their toes and kicked them in the shins. "Terrorists" he called them.
No, we dont need Jim Zumbo. Not nearly as much as Jim Zumbo needed us.
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Post by Harley on Mar 25, 2007 18:01:50 GMT -5
As far as I am concerned Zumbo got what he deserved.
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 25, 2007 19:13:06 GMT -5
Whoa, 480.... I'm on your side... remember, I have posted previously that we should give zumbo a second chance. That does not change the fact that what he said was stupid and is being used against us. I said "semi-auto" because that is the correct term. If you want to ban so-called "assault weapons" ( a media buzz word ) then you want to ban all semi-auto rifles. There is no practical difference between the two weapons, a fact Mr. Zumbo should be aware of. I hardly think I deserve to be removed from this forum because I have a different opinion than you. Let's play nice,  ? |
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 26, 2007 5:41:23 GMT -5
I suspect your right pbr.
I also believe his words will be used against us many times.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 26, 2007 6:00:28 GMT -5
Good post Woody.
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