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QDM
Aug 23, 2006 14:54:17 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on Aug 23, 2006 14:54:17 GMT -5
I plant food plots every year and to some extent have practiced QDM the last couple years. I believe its up to each individual whether they want to do it or not but it should not be mandated at the state level in my opinion.
Heres an interesting note, on a recent TV episode of Deer Hunting Magazine the biologist stated that by the time young bucks reach 1 1/2 years of age they will relocate from 2 - 20 miles from where they were born. Most of the bucks you hunt on your property are not the ones that were born there. h.h.
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QDM
Aug 23, 2006 16:07:34 GMT -5
Post by grappledad on Aug 23, 2006 16:07:34 GMT -5
Don't anyone take this the wrong way. Indiana has produced big bucks way before the OBR or QDM even though the herds age structure and buck to doe is less than perfect. How did guys do it?How did the big boys get to be big boys? The way I see it the guys killing the big ones hunt harder, longer and farther from the truck, scout and in general are just more devoted and thus better hunters. Big deer got big by being smart and thus demanding more skill to harvest one. It might be kool to have a trophy behind every tree, but then patience could replace skill and woodsmanship.Before everyone flames me let me say I do have personal standards that a buck must meet before I will harvest him ,and I kill a ton of doe every year. And I hunt mostly on public ground. Maybe I would feel differently if I had big private ground to hunt,I don't know. WHAT!!!! your saying if I cant Kill a BIG BUCK its my way of Hunting that is causing This...B.S. :(wake up and smell the Coffee!!!! What would you blame it on?
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QDM
Aug 23, 2006 21:00:39 GMT -5
Post by lugnutz on Aug 23, 2006 21:00:39 GMT -5
I'm glad to see that we are all getting along on this thread!!!!
My boys been havin' ball games all week, so i haven't been able to follow this like i wanted, but anyhow......
I understand completely that some people don't like to be told on how to hunt, such as the obr. Aren't laws/rules made by the majority vote? My point is, IF the majority of hunters agree to the guidelines set out by utilizing QDM, shouldn't it be somehow mandated by the state, since they are the ones whom own the deer?
Also I've read on this thread in which someone stated that Indiana produced large bucks long before the creation of the OBR and QDM and such.....This is a very true statement! My only question to that state is this: Was the overall balance in the herd back then equal to or better than what it is today?
Deer hunting isn't like it was way back when, its gotten modernized at an alarming rate. We as hunters are utilizing more and more tools to make a better harvest. Who woulda thought 20 years ago that most hunters have cameras purched in a tree in hopes of catching those deer on film? And i honestly feel as if proper QDM such as this is just another tool, to better our herd.
Lug
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QDM
Aug 23, 2006 22:08:12 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on Aug 23, 2006 22:08:12 GMT -5
I think the state is already practicing QDM and that is the reason they basically took off the limits on does. How else are you going to make room for the extra bucks supposedly generated by the OBR.
The deer herd can only be so big and since we are only allowed one buck they have to raise the doe limits in order to keep the deer herd in check.
Isn't this what QDM is about, trying to make the magic 1 -1 ratio? h.h.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 9:24:29 GMT -5
Post by greghopper on Aug 24, 2006 9:24:29 GMT -5
WHAT!!!! your saying if I cant Kill a BIG BUCK its my way of Hunting that is causing This...B.S. :(wake up and smell the Coffee!!!! What would you blame it on? If the Deer aren't there then you can't KILL them.If you don't "CONSISTENTLY"see BIG DEER guess what ....You wont"CONSISTENTLY" Kill them Either....No matter How Far you HUNT From your Truck!!!!!!
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 13:18:57 GMT -5
Post by Woody Williams on Aug 24, 2006 13:18:57 GMT -5
No doubt you cant kill something that ain't there.
Are you saying your county has never produced a big buck? What county would that be?
I think that they are there... just tough to hunt..as it should be.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 13:41:39 GMT -5
Post by Decatur on Aug 24, 2006 13:41:39 GMT -5
I think that they are there... just tough to hunt.. as it should be. Exactly!
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 14:35:05 GMT -5
Post by grappledad on Aug 24, 2006 14:35:05 GMT -5
What would you blame it on? If the Deer aren't there then you can't KILL them.If you don't "CONSISTENTLY"see BIG DEER guess what ....You wont"CONSISTENTLY" Kill them Either....No matter How Far you HUNT From your Truck!!!!!! If you aren't seeing deer in a given place why would you keep hunting there?
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 14:43:20 GMT -5
Post by greghopper on Aug 24, 2006 14:43:20 GMT -5
No doubt you cant kill something that ain't there. Are you saying your county has never produced a big buck? What county would that be? I think that they are there... just tough to hunt..as it should be. I have Killed and seen killed plenty of Big Bucks....Iam saying you Don't Have to Park your truck in one county and Hunt in another ...Hell most people Kill Big Deer Buy LUCK...Most people hunt and Kill BIG BUCKS during the RUT The easiest Time of Year There is!!!!!Hmmm "just tough to hunt ..as it should be " is Really Not That Tough!!!!
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 16:55:17 GMT -5
Post by pbr on Aug 24, 2006 16:55:17 GMT -5
I've been following this discussion and I am totally confused by your statements. You are swing first one way and then another.
First you cant kill them cause they are not there and then they are "Not That Tough!!!!"
Can you post a clarification of what you mean - exactly?
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 17:02:38 GMT -5
Post by racktracker on Aug 24, 2006 17:02:38 GMT -5
What pbr said.
You're all over the map.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 17:07:43 GMT -5
Post by hunter480 on Aug 24, 2006 17:07:43 GMT -5
No doubt you cant kill something that ain't there. Are you saying your county has never produced a big buck? What county would that be? I think that they are there... just tough to hunt..as it should be. I have Killed and seen killed plenty of Big Bucks....Iam saying you Don't Have to Park your truck in one county and Hunt in another ...Hell most people Kill Big Deer Buy LUCK...Most people hunt and Kill BIG BUCKS during the RUT The easiest Time of Year There is!!!!!Hmmm "just tough to hunt ..as it should be " is Really Not That Tough!!!! ? A MATURE white-tail buck is the most elusive creature on the planet. Granted, there IS a difference in killing the BIG deer you brag about, possibly they`re not mature animals. Hunting and killing mature White-tails is far from easy.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 17:13:42 GMT -5
Post by hunter480 on Aug 24, 2006 17:13:42 GMT -5
I`ve met some guys on another hunting forum who have very patiently explained to me what QDM is actually all about, and if practiced the way they explained it, it sounds like a pretty good thing.
The problem I`ve seen, is that plenty of guys claim they`re practicing QDM while in reality they`re managing for "trophy" bucks, and I feel that any buck killed is a trophy.
For the guys who want to hold out for the big one, great-for you. Like Woody and several other`s stated, please don`t ram your brand of trophy management down the throats of all of us. And I don`t believe the majority of hunters in Indiana wanted the OBR-it is my opinion that a well organized, very vocal MINORITY made enough noise that the DNR relented.
And the OBR has made ZERO difference in the Indiana deer herd in regards to bucks, but hold on to your hats. You can bet that these vocal groups will have the next step in their trophy management plan that they`ll begin to hammer the DNR on soon.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 17:35:07 GMT -5
Post by greghopper on Aug 24, 2006 17:35:07 GMT -5
I Really don't think its worth trying to explain...people seam to want to just twist things up....and if you Don't Think the OBR has had any Affect on the DEERS then that says it ALL....lol
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 17:54:17 GMT -5
Post by hunter480 on Aug 24, 2006 17:54:17 GMT -5
I Really don't think its worth trying to explain...people seam to want to just twist things up....and if you Don't Think the OBR has had any Affect on the DEERS then that says it ALL....lol You cannot deliver ANY data to validate your claim that the OBR has made any impact at all to the buck numbers or maturity in Indiana. Zero.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 18:03:47 GMT -5
Post by pbr on Aug 24, 2006 18:03:47 GMT -5
I Really don't think its worth trying to explain...people seam to want to just twist things up....and if you Don't Think the OBR has had any Affect on the DEERS then that says it ALL....lol I wasn't asking about anything to do with the one buck rule. I asked you to clarify what you are actually saying. Where is this place that doesn't have any big bucks, but they are "not that tough" to hunt?
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 18:32:50 GMT -5
Post by pigeonflier on Aug 24, 2006 18:32:50 GMT -5
And the OBR has made ZERO difference in the Indiana deer herd in regards to bucks, . This just cracks me up. Really I cant speak for the entire state, but up here in the north, it has made a difference.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 18:41:09 GMT -5
Post by hunter480 on Aug 24, 2006 18:41:09 GMT -5
And the OBR has made ZERO difference in the Indiana deer herd in regards to bucks, . This just cracks me up. Really I cant speak for the entire state, but up here in the north, it has made a difference. What you`re suggesting isn`t possible. For starters, the number of hunters who "double dipped", took 2 bucks per year, was a modestly small number. Additionally, if you view harvest numbers, the same number of bucks are being killed now as before the OBR, just at a different harvest timeline. The OBR has made zero impact on the deer herd, and you have no data to support your claim, because data doesn`t exist.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 21:22:50 GMT -5
Post by indianahick on Aug 24, 2006 21:22:50 GMT -5
OBR = QDM. Now that is funny I thought that QDM actually meant that you maintained the deer herd in your area so that the herd did not grow so large that it exceeded the carry capacity for the area. It actually did not reach capacity which would allow the bucks and does to both achieve their full potential. And that if you exceed the carry capacity you have smaller animals in body size and of course smaller antlers.
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QDM
Aug 24, 2006 21:46:02 GMT -5
Post by lugnutz on Aug 24, 2006 21:46:02 GMT -5
No doubt you cant kill something that ain't there. Are you saying your county has never produced a big buck? What county would that be? I think that they are there... just tough to hunt..as it should be. Anyway you shake it, twist it, or whatever yall call it,, the harvest numbers of the Bucks has to be reduced! One big buck per county every 10 years sucks, especially with the way leases are going, and finding a property inwhich to hunt is getting more and more difficult. Heck lets say your county produces 3 huge bucks per year, do you honestly think its even possible to hunt for one of those? Not sure how many acres are in Posey County, but i'm sure that i only have permission to hunt on less that 1% of those acres. Not only would he be rather hard to hunt them, it would be impossible! Hunt harder, is for those that already have their hand in the candy jar, reality hasn't set in for those hunters yet. Hunt harder, and/or trespass whatever it takes i suppose! I see no reason for a quality QDM! Lug
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