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Post by gundude on Aug 20, 2006 19:16:11 GMT -5
Well? WHere do the "real" sportsmen stand?
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Post by grappledad on Aug 20, 2006 19:28:09 GMT -5
It's not hunting. It's not sporting.It's shameful.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 20, 2006 19:57:23 GMT -5
Nope....it's not hunting.....but it is a form of entertainment for those who care and can afford to partake.
My problem is not with the folks who own these places, it's with the folks who go to them.
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Post by pbr on Aug 20, 2006 20:02:13 GMT -5
It could be hunting on a 5,000 acre ranch in Texas.
Not these places in Indiana though.
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Post by 911 on Aug 20, 2006 20:08:13 GMT -5
Well i see Spike and JRB have both voted looks like spike might have voted twice.
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Post by steiny on Aug 20, 2006 20:43:14 GMT -5
I clicked Yes .... Not because I support it or have any interest in it, but because I don't see that it hurts anything, and I don't think big brother needs to be interfering with a private land owners attempt to make a buck off of his ground. For crying out loud, it is one heck of a lot more environmentally friendly and less of a nuisance to have next door than perfectly legal confined livestock operations.
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Post by danf on Aug 20, 2006 20:52:52 GMT -5
I was on the fence (pun intended) about high-fence until I read the article in the Star last fall about Whitetail Bluff. I had never felt the need to hunt one of those places, in fact, I didn't want to at all. After I read that article I realized that those places don't sell hunts, they sell the opportunity to shoot.
For me, that article hurt Rodney's support with the everyday sportsman/woman that actually WORK at a hunt. Part of hunting a big (or mature) buck is not knowing if anther is in the area, let alone if there's even a chance of it coming by your stand. If you know that there's 15 (just an arbitrary number) bucks in an enclosure that's 100 acres, and 7-8 of them are 130"+ that's just not hunting in my book....
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Post by rmc on Aug 20, 2006 21:22:22 GMT -5
A couple years back there were 17 mature bucks killed in Whitetail bluffs shooting pen. A real challenge !!!
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Post by spike on Aug 20, 2006 21:23:59 GMT -5
Gundude- Definitely wasting your time ! The "real" sportsmen have spoken ! The original survey on these hunting forums showed 78% in support(and that was with over 200 replies, Documented FACT). The public showed over 80% in support this past year in meetings across Indiana(Documented FACT). Just keep trying to find a way to support your cause, it ain't gonna happen. Maybe if you ask this where you can control the outcome you will feel better. But the result is the same - There will be hundreds more sportsmen hunt the preserves in Indiana this fall than will vote on your lick your wound survey(FACT).
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Post by 911 on Aug 21, 2006 5:36:10 GMT -5
The 80% is a lie i was at the indy meeting and those against had the edge easily. I guess the
Spike did you forget the email campaign to the dnr it was overwhelmigly against high fence.
I think you have brainwashed yourself.
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Post by grappledad on Aug 21, 2006 6:04:48 GMT -5
Spike, What's the name of your place? 80 of your 83 posts are about high fence killing. So, I'm thinking your doing a little advertising. How can you call your customers hunters and sportsmen? I don't think looking for the best price is hunting and shooting penned animals is not sporting. Maybe you can explain this to me and change my mind.
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Post by 911 on Aug 21, 2006 6:49:04 GMT -5
He's not gonna get any customers off of this site a guarantee that. If i remember correctly nearly every customer at bellars was from out of state. Must no be to big an intersest in Indiana for this kind of place.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 21, 2006 10:25:00 GMT -5
Wasn't the original poll something like would you fence you property if you had a place to hunt? Most said yes because of trespassers and were not talking high fence. Hundreds of sportsmen would vote yes? Sorry spike but those are not sportsmen or women or children. They are just like the people on management advantage (or jimmy houstan) just wanting to get some tape so that they can make money from hunting equipment firms.
NO!!!!
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Aug 21, 2006 10:30:40 GMT -5
Nope! Shooting penned-up critters is not hunting in my book.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 21, 2006 12:10:47 GMT -5
Wasn't the original poll something like would you fence you property if you had a place to hunt? Most said yes because of trespassers and were not talking high fence. Hundreds of sportsmen would vote yes? Sorry spike but those are not sportsmen or women or children. They are just like the people on management advantage (or jimmy houstan) just wanting to get some tape so that they can make money from hunting equipment firms. NO!!!! As I recall the original question on bowsite was "would you hunt The Sanctuary in Michigan free of charge. Only after 70 or 80 people posted in teh affirmative was it revealed that this was a high fence place. The tide turned on that revelation.
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 21, 2006 12:43:41 GMT -5
I wouldn`t hunt a play-pen for white-tails. Nothing sporting about it, and it`d be cheaper to just hit moody meats, cause that`s all you`re doing in there. Shopping, then pulling the trigger.
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Post by dec on Aug 21, 2006 14:33:03 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start too big of an argument, because quite frankly I could care less about high fenced hunting one way or the other. But, throw whitetails out of the mix. What would you find acceptable, if anything, to "hunt" in an enclosure? Hogs? Rams? Fallow? Sika? Etc. The reason I ask is that I can think of about 2 dozen people locally off the top of my head right now that have gone to places like Moody's and others to go after exotics. Given a little time, I bet I could name 40 or 50 people just in my county that I know of. So, even though there is a mass opposition on the internet to high fenced operations, I'd be willing to bet that there is far greater support for it (especially for exotics) than is expressed on here and other similar sites. Many won't speak up due to fear of the flaming that would take place. Kind of funny, but there is a guy over at A.T. who recently posted up about his hog hunt at Moody's and surprisingly, there was a lot of praises given to him. Just throwing it out for opinions.
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Post by dec on Aug 21, 2006 14:37:44 GMT -5
On a related note, I've already admitted that I shot a hog in a high fenced operation. How many others have "secretly" done it as well? The fact that mine was almost free (and to help a friend out) does not make me any less of a high fenced heathen than the others. Anyone else on here want to step up and admit doing such a dastardly dead? Again, I don't support or condemn the high fenced folks. I could care less.
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 21, 2006 14:42:41 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start too big of an argument, because quite frankly I could care less about high fenced hunting one way or the other. But, throw whitetails out of the mix. What would you find acceptable, if anything, to "hunt" in an enclosure? Hogs? Rams? Fallow? Sika? Etc. The reason I ask is that I can think of about 2 dozen people locally off the top of my head right now that have gone to places like Moody's and others to go after exotics. Given a little time, I bet I could name 40 or 50 people just in my county that I know of. So, even though there is a mass opposition on the internet to high fenced operations, I'd be willing to bet that there is far greater support for it (especially for exotics) than is expressed on here and other similar sites. Many won't speak up due to fear of the flaming that would take place. Kind of funny, but there is a guy over at A.T. who recently posted up about his hog hunt at Moody's and surprisingly, there was a lot of praises given to him. Just throwing it out for opinions. I was talking about Moody Meats in Avon. They sell organic beef and free range chicken. They`re part of Moody Meats in Ladoga, the meat cutters for the area farmers. But nope, I wouldn`t hunt a pen. Doesn`t matter what the game is.
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Post by dec on Aug 21, 2006 14:48:17 GMT -5
I know that.
I was refering to Ken Moody.
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