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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 31, 2017 20:54:04 GMT -5
WARNING::: Stay away from GAMO SCOPES. They are junk. I've had three of them fall apart on me. They are fine for a while then the insides get lose and the accuracy and precision goes to Hell. I need to buy a good scope that can take the action of an Springer Air Rifle with Inert Gas Technology for propelling the pellets. The forward and reverse recoil of a springer air rifle will tear apart poorly built scopes. I have two of the Gamo Air Rifles that use EGT and both the scopes on them are JUNK now. What I'm looking for is a good scope that won't fall apart on the Gamo Bone Collector and the Gamo Whisper Air Rifles. Get a UTG they are good for magnum air rifles. I have one on my XL1100 and it's got massive double recoil. Holding up fine.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 31, 2017 17:58:11 GMT -5
.72 cal beast. Some expensive stuff there also. Someone who just thinks of Walmart for airguns would be blown away by this expo. I'm pretty impressed with those booths myself.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 24, 2017 20:07:13 GMT -5
The DNR doesn't have much say. They told me to contact state reps. Which I plan to do.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 23, 2017 15:25:51 GMT -5
All taken with various air rifles. Powder guns rarely leave my home these days. These are just a few of the many we got this year. Up first is a cheap little gun I got for my son. Ruger Blackhawk elite .177cal His first Tree rat 1972 Silver streak .20 cal Benjamin XL 1100 .22 cal Benjamin marauder .25 cal .457 Texan lol overkill but had to try it once 168gr EPP slug at 970fps
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 23, 2017 14:41:06 GMT -5
For me it's ammo cost. (I like to shoot lots!) And stalking the quarry. Yeah my .457 cost lots of money so did my .25 but one has paid for itself in ammo cost already. A good .22 is what $400-500? My .25 was $550 and I put $200 of mods in it. I've shot 5,000 pellets through it. Do the math on .22 ammo for 5,000 rounds. For the good stuff standard velocity it is twice the cost of premium JSB pellets. My .457 cost $1000. I cast my own and need no powder or lube for the grooves or gas checks. At $100 for 50lbs of lead I make 1,070 340gr slugs. The price of 45/70 same range weight is outrageous. $60 for a box of 20 350gr. www.midwayusa.com/product/536260/grizzly-ammunition-45-70-government-p-350-grain-bonded-core-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-20Here is a 340gr 45/70 gould bullet after it went through 6 gallons of water into a dirt pile. Plenty of power for large game. Tha support equipment is costly I have a small pony fill bottle and a large 90cf bottle and a compressor. Almost $2000 in those equipments. But it can all be done with a $70-$200 hand pump if you had to.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 22, 2017 11:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 21, 2017 12:10:40 GMT -5
There is going to be a fun shoot In April for Indiana. Check GTA forums.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 20, 2017 17:24:41 GMT -5
Wow dude! You won't see any in Indiana yet because it's not YET legal. I use bow and shotguns also but if I could I would use my .457 for deer over anything. And yes my .457 has way more power than a .22 powder rifle and more down range power and accuracy than a legal .410 slug. This is on HPA air not to mention what can be done with helium. Sure a powder burner can do the job fine but that's not the point. You said a .22 will outperform any air rifle. And you ARE wrong in that regard. A 40gr .22 at 1100fps is 107ft lbs of energy. 5 times less than my lowly .457 will produce. What's the point? What's the point to Muzzleloaders, bow hunt or crossbow hunt? What's the point at all? McDonalds sells hamburgers so why bother? Here is one! youtu.be/_gStsGMherYA ram at 85yds youtu.be/_gStsGMherYHere's a 198yd mouflon shot with an air rifle youtu.be/_gStsGMherYHow about a black bear? youtu.be/4NHgAPVv7FYI can find a bunch more large game kills but Im not waisting my time when a quick YouTube search brings up dozens. If I make it to Virginia this year with my legal air rifle. I will post about it on this forum.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 10, 2017 22:04:37 GMT -5
Only issue I'd see is you're on the way low end of energy on killing a deer. Average number I've seen or heard is right at 1000 ft/lbs. You're under half that. Don't get me wrong, seen the videos but you don't have much margin for error. I'd say that's the issue you'd have to get around for it to be passed. Guess what I'm saying is that's going to be your hurdle. Guessing most that use them are going to be guys that put an insane amount of time in them shooting them. Not going to be a guy just go out and buy one the night before. 410 is legal and yes it has a higher muzzle energy. But by 40yds you are at under 400fpe asuming you are using a 3" shell. The .457 I have has that and more at 200yds. And my air rifle will shoot hole in hole at 50yds and a 410 can not do it at 20 let alone 40. So That argument is already debunked. Even a 40cal 250gr will out shoot a 410 energy wise and accuracy.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 26, 2017 20:14:34 GMT -5
2 or 3 with the .457 Texan shooting heavy slugs.(810-780fps)I can get 10 with 143gr round ball. They shoot upwards of 1000fps. (Not as accurate past 50yds)The .25 Marauder can get 32Lower power 40fpe shots and 7-9 around 65fpe and 2 or 3 at 75-80fpe. All depends on how you tune the power on these PCP air rifles and what you plan to shoot. (They have power adjusters)Most of the big bores 45 and up get 2 or 3 high power shots. I've never needed more than 1 shot with the .457 it's a beast. The .25 is great for a day of small game hunting. Or a night of racoon killing. If I feel I might need more air the 68ci tank will fill the Texan 3 times and the Marauder 6 times. Think paintball tank that's basicly what it is but holds 4500psi. Also I should add my Marauder is modified in stock form it is a 16shot 40-45ft lb rifle. Mine has had valve mods and opened up air flow through out. From the outside it looks stock.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 26, 2017 14:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 26, 2017 13:59:05 GMT -5
Ok I'll bite. The rifle is a stock .457 Airforce Texan. It is not quiet! Think between .22cf and .223 loud. It can be quieted down with an RL Shroud considerably. The rifle is $1000 without glass. The shroud is $165.(future purchase) They also make an aftermarket stock that is over $300. I cast my own slugs and mine likes the 330gr lyman .458/.459 hp mold. In pure lead it comes out 345gr sized to .457. The rifle is shooting them 807 feet per second for almost 500 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle. I have shot 1" 100yd groups with this rifle. The Texan has a 499cc air tank and fills to 3000psi.The Texan comes in .308 and .357 for the same price. The pellet/slug You can get into the bigbore game for around $600 for a sam yang 909 or a benjaman bulldog. A higher powered .25 or 30cal is capable of taking coyotes also inside 50yds. I would recommend at least 100fpe for body shots and 40-50fpe on target for head shots. (My modified .25 Marauder shoots up to 80fpe and I would take a coyote with it no problem) You will also need a way to fill the rifle with air. High pressure compressors range from $600 boosters to $5000 compressors. You can also use high pressure hand pumps. $80-$200 depending.(paintball ships and dive shops will fill tanks also) I have a hand pump and I have a shoebox compressor and 68cubic inch 4500psi carbon tank. I'll have a 88 cubic foot 4500psi tank by next season. I hope that about covers it?
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 25, 2017 20:02:49 GMT -5
Sure One from the stand where I shot her. Cleaned up
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 25, 2017 14:13:39 GMT -5
Called in with a baby cottontail. She held up about 120yds then I switched to rodent distress and it ran along the woods line in to 70yds and stood there facing me with its tail at 1oclock. Ranged her at 70yds I dropped the crosshairs with 1 mil holdover and let the 345gr slug fly. Dropped her on the spot. Entry was in the chest just in front of left shoulder and exit was 4 inches back of right shoulder. Destroyed both lungs and hit the heart. Love hunting with air rifles!
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 24, 2017 21:56:18 GMT -5
Here is a 3 shot group from 75 yards with the 345gr Gould bullet. Impact of 470 foot lbs.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 24, 2017 10:11:41 GMT -5
I'm new to the forum but I'm glad I found it. I'm really interested in pushing forward on air rifles mainly the big bore air rifle. I know the consensus is that in no way should a "BB GUN" be allowed to shoot deer. If you think that way then you are misinformed. Big bore air rifles are a viable tool to harvest large game. Michigan,Virginia,Arizona, and Missouri with Illinois adding a season this comming year. My goal is to get .40cal and up or possibly .357cal legal in our state. I think more in the range of 250-300fpe is good for a whitetail. Some larger bore like .45-.50cal have power greater than a .45acp. Big bore air rifles do not have the range of powder guns making them far less dangerous than the High power rifles introduced into the regs. They are more similar to bow hunting where you are going to want to be around 50yds of your quarry. Anyway I'm interested in what everyone thinks of it. It took one guy showing the Missouri DNR what his big bore was about to get it passed in that state. I'm willing to show mine if need be. Here is a video of a Missouri deer hunt you need to watch before you comment please. youtu.be/Vqk2Y8zLyo4Thanks all! I don't have a problem with it. I doubt it would ever gain much popularity due to the limitations and cost of big bore air-gunning.
With regard to velocity and energy, I think bullet construction and expansion characteristics play a much larger role when it comes to performance on game. What type of bullets would a .357 or .40 caliber airgun hunter use?
My .457 is pretty accurate to 100 yds with the 345gr 45/70 Gould bullet. I cast these myself. They shoot around 800fps for near 500ft lbs of energy.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 23, 2017 23:09:31 GMT -5
I'm new to the forum but I'm glad I found it. I'm really interested in pushing forward on air rifles mainly the big bore air rifle. I know the consensus is that in no way should a "BB GUN" be allowed to shoot deer. If you think that way then you are misinformed. Big bore air rifles are a viable tool to harvest large game. Michigan,Virginia,Arizona, and Missouri with Illinois adding a season this comming year. My goal is to get .40cal and up or possibly .357cal legal in our state. I think more in the range of 250-300fpe is good for a whitetail. Some larger bore like .45-.50cal have power greater than a .45acp. Big bore air rifles do not have the range of powder guns making them far less dangerous than the High power rifles introduced into the regs. They are more similar to bow hunting where you are going to want to be around 50yds of your quarry. Anyway I'm interested in what everyone thinks of it. It took one guy showing the Missouri DNR what his big bore was about to get it passed in that state. I'm willing to show mine if need be. Here is a video of a Missouri deer hunt you need to watch before you comment please. youtu.be/Vqk2Y8zLyo4Thanks all!
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 23, 2017 22:20:15 GMT -5
Has the INDNR looked into what big bore air rifles can do? .40cal and up 250-300ft lbs is plenty to humanely take a deer. (Michigan is .40 and up) I've read Illinois has just put it through as well. Other states are adopting air rifles into the regs for deer. My hope is to help educate just how capable these big bores are. Other states like Virginia and Missouri have also added them to legal methods. Indiana is a great place for airgun hunting with our regs but the whitetail deer is the missing species.
Thanks and if there is any way I can help or let someone check out one of my big bore air rifles. I would be happy to help out.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 23, 2017 17:26:46 GMT -5
Keith Warren "the high road" he did it with .177 I would not recommend it. I've seen Manny from Hawaii kill a big hog with a .22 nitro piston break barrel. More about getting the perfect shot and knowing the skull area you need to hit. I would not hesitate to take a hog with my .25 inside 35yds brain shot. I'm good to 75-100 with the .457 on vitals.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 23, 2017 16:58:03 GMT -5
I've had coyotes turn and run with green light but they don't see red for sure.
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