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Post by hoosier on Aug 19, 2005 1:07:17 GMT -5
Anybody know of anyone hunting deer with a .410? Maybe someone here or our children have. Just curious what kind of results have been realized.
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 19, 2005 4:54:43 GMT -5
I didn't approve of DNR's decision to legalize the .410 for deer hunting , it's just not enough gun IMO . It's strictly a small game gun as far as I'm concerned .
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Post by RiverJim on Aug 19, 2005 6:26:47 GMT -5
I didn't approve of DNR's decision to legalize the .410 for deer hunting , it's just not enough gun IMO . It's strictly a small game gun as far as I'm concerned . It is if you can get a head shot  |
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Post by drs on Aug 19, 2005 7:24:35 GMT -5
Anybody know of anyone hunting deer with a .410? Maybe someone here or our children have. Just curious what kind of results have been realized. The "Useless" .410 slug is ineffective and a very poor choice to hunt anything. Instead of making the .410 slug legal for Deer Hunting the State should have legalized the use of .357, .41, .44 Magnums in rifles, as this would have made more sense. I don't know what the IDNR was thinking but I would FIRE the one responsible for allowing the .410 slug for Deer Hunting to become law.  |
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Post by bigugly on Aug 19, 2005 8:16:38 GMT -5
When I was younger and giver the job of walking behind dogs during the hunt I always carried a .410 loaded with #6. Only place this gun belongs in the deer woods is shooting grouse.
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 19, 2005 9:20:21 GMT -5
One of this boards member's daughter killed an 8 pt buck last year with a .410. From the story she told me it didn't go very far before it died. The shot was close and went threw both lungs. I too think .410's are marginal for deer but it seemed to work for her. h.h.
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 19, 2005 9:27:21 GMT -5
I didn't approve of DNR's decision to legalize the .410 for deer hunting , it's just not enough gun IMO . It's strictly a small game gun as far as I'm concerned . It is if you can get a head shot While I'm not above taking a head shot I try to avoid them . |
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Post by jackc99 on Aug 19, 2005 11:28:12 GMT -5
Simply don't like using a .410 for deer. It just doesn't "feel" like enough gun.
Jack
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Post by schoolmaster on Aug 19, 2005 12:28:29 GMT -5
I would rather see a good muzzleloader with reduced loads and roundball than the 410 however the 8 pointer my daughter killed last year went only 40 yards and piled up. She shot it through both lungs at about 30 yards. The entrance and exit was about 410 size and hardly any blood trail. She shoots Brenneke slugs and only takes good shots. A 410 will kill under ideal conditions.
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Post by hoosier on Aug 19, 2005 18:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 19, 2005 18:38:01 GMT -5
Anybody know of anyone hunting deer with a .410? Maybe someone here or our children have. Just curious what kind of results have been realized. The "Useless" .410 slug is ineffective and a very poor choice to hunt anything. Instead of making the .410 slug legal for Deer Hunting the State should have legalized the use of .357, .41, .44 Magnums in rifles, as this would have made more sense. I don't know what the IDNR was thinking but I would FIRE the one responsible for allowing the .410 slug for Deer Hunting to become law. I couldn't agree more!!! |
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Post by jkd on Aug 20, 2005 12:38:25 GMT -5
A .410 has more velocity/energy at the muzzle than a .357, but it's poor ballistic coefficient causes it to loose speed and energy faster than the magnum... .410 Mzl 50 100 Vel. 1830 1318 1025 Ener. 651 338 204 .357 158gr JHP Vel. 1235 1104 1015 Ener. 535 428 361 20ga Vel. 1600 1160 952 Ener. 1865 981 660 So, an ACCURATE shot at <=50yds with a .410 will kill a deer. Punch the lungs/heart at that range and it'll go down. ;D Beyond 50, she gets marginal real quick...  now look at a 20ga standard slug... more energy at 100 yards than the .357 has at the muzzle, and 3x energy of the .410 Sabot rounds have less energy than slugs, but much less bullet drop at longer ranges... See www.winchester.com for tables...  Bottom line... for kids a 20ga is going to get the job done right... and many .410's (gun weight) are light enough, the felt recoil will actually be more than the 20ga... KD |
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 20, 2005 12:48:52 GMT -5
.......................... Bottom line... for kids a 20ga is going to get the job done right... and many .410's (gun weight) are light enough, the felt recoil will actually be more than the 20ga... KD Yep... I agree 110%... |
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 21, 2005 7:28:37 GMT -5
Like drs said I would LOVE to see the legalization of .357 and .44 in rifles for deer hunting. Any body else have feelings about this, one way or the other?  I'll second that , there are plenty of pistol calibers that could do the job better than the .410 slug . |
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Post by schoolmaster on Aug 21, 2005 7:37:20 GMT -5
The 410 slug is the problem. If you could get a 410 projectile that was aerodynamic and had maybe a plastic tip to expand the slug it would work better. Perhaps a .357 pistol bullet in a sabot out of a rifled barrel like a muzzleloader.
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Post by drs on Aug 21, 2005 9:27:27 GMT -5
The 410 slug is the problem. If you could get a 410 projectile that was aerodynamic and had maybe a plastic tip to expand the slug it would work better. Perhaps a .357 pistol bullet in a sabot out of a rifled barrel like a muzzleloader. Sounds good but I seriously doubt if any ammo manufactures are going to produce sabot loaded .410 ammo. Also I don't see any gun manufactures producting rifled barrels, for the .410, anytime soon. Even with a saboted .357" 158 grain bullet I think it still would be underpowered for deer sized game. The State should have legalizied the use of .41, .44, .45 LC, and .454 in rifles if they really wanted to improve things. |
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Post by schoolmaster on Aug 21, 2005 20:10:50 GMT -5
I agree that the manufacturers will not produce rifled barrels and saboted slugs for the 410 there is just not enough demand for it. This is one reason the 20 ga. is lagging so far behind the 12. A presenter at a slug shooting seminar told me the 20 ga. represents only 12 % of the market.
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Post by mbogo on Aug 22, 2005 6:14:17 GMT -5
Like drs said I would LOVE to see the legalization of .357 and .44 in rifles for deer hunting. Any body else have feelings about this, one way or the other? I agree 100%. |
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Post by mbogo on Aug 22, 2005 7:47:18 GMT -5
A .410 has more velocity/energy at the muzzle than a .357, but it's poor ballistic coefficient causes it to loose speed and energy faster than the magnum... .410 Mzl 50 100 Vel. 1830 1318 1025 Ener. 651 338 204 .357 158gr JHP Vel. 1235 1104 1015 Ener. 535 428 361 20ga Vel. 1600 1160 952 Ener. 1865 981 660 So, an ACCURATE shot at <=50yds with a .410 will kill a deer. Punch the lungs/heart at that range and it'll go down. ;D Beyond 50, she gets marginal real quick... now look at a 20ga standard slug... more energy at 100 yards than the .357 has at the muzzle, and 3x energy of the .410 Sabot rounds have less energy than slugs, but much less bullet drop at longer ranges... See www.winchester.com for tables... Bottom line... for kids a 20ga is going to get the job done right... and many .410's (gun weight) are light enough, the felt recoil will actually be more than the 20ga... KD The .410 is more comparable in effectiveness to a 9mm than a .357. While what you say about the b.c. and the rapid loss of velocity is certainly true I don't think that is nearly as important as the terrible sectional density and resulting poor penetration. A .410 slug only weighs about 100 grains so it lacks the weight to penetrate very deeply given its large diameter. |
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now look at a 20ga standard slug... more energy at 100 yards than the .357 has at the muzzle, and 3x energy of the .410
Bottom line... for kids a 20ga is going to get the job done right... and many .410's (gun weight) are light enough, the felt recoil will actually be more than the 20ga...
