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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 27, 2024 18:27:38 GMT -5
Before we start this discussion, I want neither, I want everyone to just get along and do their own thing as long as it doesn't impose upon my family or friends. Now that that's out of the way, I hear rumors of this often, I don't see it happening but I do worry about the upcoming election. No matter what side you are on it seems the other side will not accept the results, I believe we will see some bad days starting the day after the 2024 election. Do you believe we will see trouble? If so how bad do you expect it to be?
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Post by stevein on Jan 27, 2024 21:31:30 GMT -5
I think a civil war would start in the larger cities. It would spread to the suburbs and if it has not lost steam into the countryside. I do not believe it will be like our revolution or Civil war but more like a gang war. Several factions trying to gain power. As it drags on factions will merge. For some it will be a chance to eliminate races and religious groups, like their preducies will be the driving force. It will not be a clear cut side vrs side. There will be military and police alliances. Sorry for the negative attitude but it will not be a simple skirmish at Lexington or Concord. May God help us if it does start.
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Post by deadeer on Jan 27, 2024 22:47:37 GMT -5
I have no doubt there will eventually be an uprising against the government. If/when they try to ban or take away guns from the legal masses in the middle of the country, there will be resistance.
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Post by greyhair on Jan 27, 2024 23:57:53 GMT -5
The real danger is the resurgent conflict between States power and Federal power. That is what led to the last one.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 28, 2024 1:29:53 GMT -5
I have no doubt there will eventually be an uprising against the government. If/when they try to ban or take away guns from the legal masses in the middle of the country, there will be resistance. Absolutely…. I just wonder where they will find folks to do that job! Not happening any time soon!
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Post by deadeer on Jan 28, 2024 2:39:47 GMT -5
I have no doubt there will eventually be an uprising against the government. If/when they try to ban or take away guns from the legal masses in the middle of the country, there will be resistance. Absolutely…. I just wonder where they will find folks to do that job! Not happening any time soon! The country got ugly pretty fast during the George Floyd incident with riots (or any of the other high profile cases). Bad news travels fast. It wouldnt be a far stretch to see folks band together and get aggressive if they hear they are coming for their guns or ammo or whatever.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 28, 2024 7:13:38 GMT -5
I'm not a dooms say preper by any means but I think the election may cause some issues. The left and Right couldn't be any further apart. If sleepy Joe gets elected the right is gonna call BS if Trump gets elected I fear riots like we saw with George Floyd. Those business owners, retail stores, and property owners aren't going to get trampled again, at least I wouldn't think so.These last 5 years have been the rockiest I've known in the US. I wasn't around in the 60's but I hear they had some bumps too. Should be interesting one way or another.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 28, 2024 7:15:19 GMT -5
Absolutely…. I just wonder where they will find folks to do that job! Not happening any time soon! The country got ugly pretty fast during the George Floyd incident with riots (or any of the other high profile cases). Bad news travels fast. It wouldnt be a far stretch to see folks band together and get aggressive if they hear they are coming for their guns or ammo or whatever. I agree….. My point was where will they find people to come and take our guns?That would be a sucker job.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 28, 2024 7:21:49 GMT -5
I'm not a dooms say preper by any means but I think the election may cause some issues. The left and Right couldn't be any further apart. If sleepy Joe gets elected the right is gonna call BS if Trymp gets elected I fear riots like we saw with George Floyd. Those business owners, retail stores, and property owners aren't going to get trampled again, at least I wouldn't think so.These last 5 years have been the rockiest I've known in the US. I wasn't around in the 60's but I hear they had some bumps too. Should be interesting one way or another. Folks don't need to be preppers but they should be ready and not live in FEAR…….
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 28, 2024 7:53:03 GMT -5
I'm not a dooms say preper by any means but I think the election may cause some issues. The left and Right couldn't be any further apart. If sleepy Joe gets elected the right is gonna call BS if Trymp gets elected I fear riots like we saw with George Floyd. Those business owners, retail stores, and property owners aren't going to get trampled again, at least I wouldn't think so.These last 5 years have been the rockiest I've known in the US. I wasn't around in the 60's but I hear they had some bumps too. Should be interesting one way or another. Folks don't need to be preppers but they should be ready and not live in FEAR……. I agree.
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Post by duff on Jan 28, 2024 8:06:28 GMT -5
With the border issues last few weeks I think the lines are being drawn on state rights. However the country has experienced a lot worse times. Several presidential assissinations, civil war, race riots, terrorist attacks, etc. Doesn't mean it isn't bad now but with time our memories soften the historical events.
The pandemic response proved our population can be manipulated and pitted against each other over topics we didn't even think of before it happens.
I don't think it will be as clear as coming for the polarizing topics like guns, abortion, etc. Also, we have to realize all politicians are pushing for it.
Change is constant. Nothing stays the same except the humans that are interested in being in power are there to build their empire. With chaos comes opportunity.
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Post by steiny on Jan 28, 2024 9:13:45 GMT -5
I have no doubt there will eventually be an uprising against the government. If/when they try to ban or take away guns from the legal masses in the middle of the country, there will be resistance. This scenario is sort of playing out right now in Illinois. Majority of gun owning citizens have refused to register any of their firearms in accordance with the governors decree. There is talk of possible seizures. I think they'll be hard pressed to find law enforcement that would take on this task. Open borders are the hot button now. If the present administration doesn't close the border (very unlikely) and / or if a new administration isn't elected that will close the border things may get pretty ugly fast.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Jan 28, 2024 9:26:53 GMT -5
I have no doubt there will eventually be an uprising against the government. If/when they try to ban or take away guns from the legal masses in the middle of the country, there will be resistance. Absolutely…. I just wonder where they will find folks to do that job! Not happening any time soon! Exactly this ^^^ The government won’t find any sane officers to perform this job!! There would be a mass exodus of officers if this came down the pipe!! On the rioting/looting side of things…notice how it’s always in the big cities where LIKE minded people partake. As dumb as those folks are…they’re still smart enough to know not to leave the city with that kind of event because they won’t make it back if they venture out into the countryside!! I’m not/would not be worried about rioting/looting when crap hits the fan unless I lived in the city. All this IMO.
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Post by drfleck on Jan 28, 2024 12:39:58 GMT -5
I don't necessarily think things are any more unstable now than ever. It's just now there's no escaping the constant reminder of any negativity. It's on your phone, t.v., computer, and print. Keeps the population constantly living in fear and at odds with one another. As for the upcoming election; I've already accepted the inevitable outcome.
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Post by beermaker on Jan 28, 2024 12:52:49 GMT -5
The southern border might be the tipping point. I don't think "civil war" is realistic, but I certainly think rebellion and vigilantism is not far off. Sooner or later, the TX locals are going to be fed up and start taking matters on themselves. I hope that's not the outcome, but I could see it happening.
It continues to astonish me how Blinken, Mayorkas, Jean-Pierre, etc. continue to be allowed to give half-@$$ or no answers to legitimate questions. I realize that the vast majority of the media is nothing more than an extension of the DNC, but jeez!
How about Biden's word jumbles last week? Did he do too much sampling at that brewery? There is NO WAY that any reasonable, sane person can truly believe that he is fit for office. No way, period. I heard some commentary from Rick on Rick & Bubba about it. He stated that his father recently passed after battling Alzheimer's for 10 years. He said Biden's behavior is exactly like his father's was during the first five years of the disease.
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Post by welder on Jan 28, 2024 18:52:39 GMT -5
If things do erupt on the Southern boarder, like feds/ regular military against the National Guard, will they really "engage"?I know follow orders is drilled in from the first day of boot camp, but this is a COMPLETELY different scenario. Like said earlier about law enforcement confiscating guns, I don't think American soldiers are going to ruthlessly gun each other down.
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Post by esshup on Jan 28, 2024 19:27:18 GMT -5
I have no doubt there will eventually be an uprising against the government. If/when they try to ban or take away guns from the legal masses in the middle of the country, there will be resistance. This scenario is sort of playing out right now in Illinois. Majority of gun owning citizens have refused to register any of their firearms in accordance with the governors decree. There is talk of possible seizures. I think they'll be hard pressed to find law enforcement that would take on this task. Open borders are the hot button now. If the present administration doesn't close the border (very unlikely) and / or if a new administration isn't elected that will close the border things may get pretty ugly fast. I believe "close the border" is the wrong terminology for it, and here's why. I am having a discussion with my college roommate now (a self proclaimed Libertard) about the current Republican stance on "closing the border or we won't give you the spending bill". He is saying that Biden is wanting permission to close the border. I said NO, he doesn't need permission, and in fact the border IS closed now if the BP would just be able to enforce the laws that are already there. It says that immigration can happen but only through the legal entry ports, NOT all along the border. So I feel that it should be stated as "close the border everywhere except the legal ports of entry". I saw where the Red Team want to allow 5,000 people per day to come across the border and to shut the border down when that number exceeds that. The Blue Team wants 10,000 people. So, how do you count the people that you don't catch? I just pray that the Republicans win and win big. Both the House and the Senate too. Then when the Blue Team tries to rush the White House, that the Republicans go after the mob with the same fervor that the Dems are going after the Republicans.
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Post by duff on Jan 28, 2024 19:29:35 GMT -5
If things do erupt on the Southern boarder, like feds/ regular military against the National Guard, will they really "engage"?I know follow orders is drilled in from the first day of boot camp, but this is a COMPLETELY different scenario. Like said earlier about law enforcement confiscating guns, I don't think American soldiers are going to ruthlessly gun each other down. Situations and heat of the moment are so unpredictable. Training, orders and tension could change anything. I am sure the ohio national guard troop that shot into the Kent state students never thought they would be in that situation either.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 28, 2024 20:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Jan 28, 2024 21:21:48 GMT -5
I don't know where we are headed. I agree that there is Federal over-reach on some issues. I also know what can happen when States are left to their own devices. Segregation, no pollution control, no workplace safety etc.
After all, for example, Arkansas claimed States rights when they refused to let black kids go to the same schools as whites.
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