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Post by therealsethh on Sept 5, 2023 12:57:36 GMT -5
Hey there, After years of looking I finally pulled the trigger on a Remington 700 BDL in 270win. serial number looks like it's a 1981. I've been hunting waterfowl and upland birds for 5 years now and will be trying my luck at deer this year (hopefully). Does anyone have any ammo recommendation for hunting deer and target practice? I've heard some guns like certain types of ammo and loads etc. My 870 doesn't always take Winchester super X well for example. any other advice for this rifle would be appreciated as well, I plan to take care of it forever and will be taking it apart and deep cleaning later this week.
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 5, 2023 19:43:39 GMT -5
JMHO ok...I would stick with the well known brands like Federal, Hornady, Barnes, Winchester for example. If you are hunting in Indiana with it, I would go with a bonded or solid copper bullet and stay away from the older cup and core type construction. I feel like the cup and core types come apart way too easily at the closer shot ranges / higher MV that you typically encounter in the Indiana deer woods.
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Post by esshup on Sept 5, 2023 21:30:13 GMT -5
^^What he said. IF you did have to go with a cup and core bullet, look at the bonded bullets, like an Accubond. But for my centerfire rifle usage here in Indiana on private property (you can't use the .270 on any public land) I use Barnes bullets. I reload my own, so I can tailor a load to the rifle.
130 grain Barnes TTSX or TSX Bullet, 150 grain Nosler Partition bullet, Hornady makes a CX Bullet too that is monolithic construction.
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Post by therealsethh on Sept 6, 2023 9:13:33 GMT -5
JMHO ok...I would stick with the well known brands like Federal, Hornady, Barnes, Winchester for example. If you are hunting in Indiana with it, I would go with a bonded or solid copper bullet and stay away from the older cup and core type construction. I feel like the cup and core types come apart way too easily at the closer shot ranges / higher MV that you typically encounter in the Indiana deer woods. okay thanks I'll have to research this I'm not familiar with different types of bullet construction, the only other rifle I've used is a 10/22, so you're saying that ammo like Remington core lokt will break up into many pieces in deer at closer range then go straight through clean? |
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 6, 2023 11:32:10 GMT -5
JMHO ok...I would stick with the well known brands like Federal, Hornady, Barnes, Winchester for example. If you are hunting in Indiana with it, I would go with a bonded or solid copper bullet and stay away from the older cup and core type construction. I feel like the cup and core types come apart way too easily at the closer shot ranges / higher MV that you typically encounter in the Indiana deer woods. okay thanks I'll have to research this I'm not familiar with different types of bullet construction, the only other rifle I've used is a 10/22, so you're saying that ammo like Remington core lokt will break up into many pieces in deer at closer range then go straight through clean? Yes sir. Check this article out to help better explain my thoughts and do a search as there is plenty of info out there about this subject. chuckhawks.com/bullets_beginners.htm?expand_article=1 |
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Post by deadeer on Sept 6, 2023 12:29:27 GMT -5
I'll be the odd man out and say deer have been killed stone dead with cup and core bullets for a long, long time. Not to cause any drama, but one could compare and argue the same with fixed vs mechanical broadheads. You put the shot on the mark, and you have a "deadeer". An archery type shot without a direct shoulder or spine hit kills without a mess. You wont be eating right up to the hole, but I dont anyway. Everything has pros and cons.
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Post by esshup on Sept 7, 2023 18:58:06 GMT -5
I'll be the odd man out and say deer have been killed stone dead with cup and core bullets for a long, long time. Not to cause any drama, but one could compare and argue the same with fixed vs mechanical broadheads. You put the shot on the mark, and you have a "deadeer". An archery type shot without a direct shoulder or spine hit kills without a mess. You wont be eating right up to the hole, but I dont anyway. Everything has pros and cons. I agree with you to a point. Cup and core is designed to work at an "X" velocity impact range. If the deer is close, it might not expand correctly, just like using a 250g SST in the savage ML, pushing them 2500+ fps and shooting a deer at 20-30 yards with it. Do the same with a Barnes at the same impact velocity and the Barnes will poke all the way through the deer. To take that to an extreme, I shot a deer in Wi. with my .257 Weatherby Mag using a NBT. The deer died, BUT there was absolutely no blood trail for the first 80 yards. (I watched the deer run and fall over). There was about 2" snow on the ground which made for perfect tracking snow. Since I knew where the deer was laying, I walked to the point of impact and looked. Saw hair but no blood. Followed the running tracks thru the snow and at 80 yds from the point of impact the first spec of blood showed up. It got progressively thicker for the next 20 yds until I reached the deer. When field dressed, the bullet went in about 4" and blew up like a hand grenade. It did hit one rib on the way in. Fast forward the next year in Tennessee. I shot a Corsican Ram at 20 yds with the same gun, except I used a Barnes TSX bullet. At the impact, the ram stiff legged and tipped right over. It was laying on the ground before all the hair floated to earth. Bullet went thru and thru. Found 2 petals in the lungs, nothing else. There were 3 exit holes, so I'm assuming the core of the bullet and the 2 other petals exited the ram. |
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Post by deadeer on Sept 7, 2023 22:29:04 GMT -5
To add static (I mean fuel to the fire, lol)...
Not many shoot the speed of a 257W. The smaller the dia and lighter bullet, put a tremendous burden on the bullets ability to perform all functions. Plus, we know a Nos BT is not designed for warp speed at close range.
Now let's discuss more standard calibers. Use a 270, 7mm, 308, 06, etc with bigger bullet, more standard weight or heavier for caliber, at more normal speeds, and wallah, we have a standard cup and core bullet doing its job perfectly.
Remingtons old motto about the core loct, "the deadliest mushroom in the woods" was not made up for nothing.
For the record, esshup and I are friends and argue (discuss, lol) bullets and this kind of stuff regularly. So, there's no arguing or competition, just funning and information overload going on here. 😂
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Post by steiny on Sept 8, 2023 8:53:39 GMT -5
Congrats. You purchased a very fine rifle and a great caliber for deer and other big game hunting.
Have most recently spent some time replacing the scope and zeroing in my dads .270 Win. Tried three different types to see what grouped best (suggest you do the same) and settled on the 130 grain Norma.
Remington Core Lokts are one of my favorites, but tried them in the above rifle and they didn't group as well.
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Post by esshup on Sept 8, 2023 13:19:42 GMT -5
To add static (I mean fuel to the fire, lol)... For the record, esshup and I are friends and argue (discuss, lol) bullets and this kind of stuff regularly. So, there's no arguing or competition, just funning and information overload going on here. 😂 Line a moth to a flame, here I go! LOL Deadeer, you shot .270 in a pistol, didn't you? What bullets did you use and what were the impact velocities? I agree the .257 bee is going a bit faster than the .270, but the same principle of picking a projectile that will impact the intended target within the designed velocity parameters applies, like the problems the guys were having with the 250g .50 cal SST in the Savage ML's. Or was it the opposite issue you had with the pistols? Too low of an impact velocity and the bullet penciling through the deer? |
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