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Post by subzero350 on Jan 16, 2023 15:56:23 GMT -5
I thought the brace and short barrel did make it a SBR. Did anyone actually use it as a brace? I do not see how this got around the NFA definition of a SBR. This is why the ATF should NOT be making up rules. They made this mess. Also the use of a SBR for hunting should be addressed by our state legislature or the DNR. I would guess the short barreled shotguns will be next. My point is all my life rifles had 16"+ barrels and a certain OAL. Pistols had less than a 16" barrel and no stocks. Shotguns had an 18" barrel and a certain OAL. What changed? Not the NFA. These definitions need to be changed by Congress or go through the federal courts all the way to the Supreme Court. Better yet kill the NFA. I am pro 2A. I have seen people actually use the brace as a brace (with some kind of band that clamped around the arm to hold the brace to the arm), thus making the weapon an extension of the arm by "stabilizing" it. I believe braces were intended for disabled persons to allow them to shoot a weapon of this type, 1-handed. Now did everyone who bought a braced pistol use it as intended, and not put that brace on their shoulder and use it as a stock? This is where the ATF says they have a problem with braces (ie: people were using them as stocks). The issue with the ATF's point-of-view is the fact that you can theoretically shoulder just about any hand-held weapon, regardless of its configuration or design. You could hold a 1911 pistol to your shoulder and fire it. But does this make it a short-barrelled rifle? The ATF's pistol brace rule seems to say that it could (read the rule). I agree that Congress needs to address this issue, but I don't expect anything favorable to get passed by both houses and signed into law under the current makeup of our .gov. The best we can hope for is for this to get struck down like what happened with the bump stock ban in the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals recently.
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Post by jjas on Jan 16, 2023 16:01:04 GMT -5
Can you imagine the world we live in today and Full Auto being legal…. They'd be fun to plink with providing you could afford the ammo. And the costs to purchase one (according to this) rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/#I wouldn't want one as I have zero use for one. Same thing with bump stocks, braces and binary triggers. I don't see the point...
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Post by esshup on Jan 16, 2023 16:58:15 GMT -5
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 16, 2023 17:20:31 GMT -5
They'd be fun to plink with providing you could afford the ammo. And the costs to purchase one (according to this) rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/#I wouldn't want one as I have zero use for one. Same thing with bump stocks, braces and binary triggers. I don't see the point... On braces - I don't have one, but have considered building an AR pistol. Reason being, several hunts I'd like to participate in do not allow a rifle, but do allow a pistol. I think I would be a more ethical hunter using an AR pistol with a brace than a traditional pistol, both in terms of my own capability and energy delivered on target. End of the day though, it's about a right not being infringed, not about demonstrating a need for any particular weapon type.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 16, 2023 17:32:41 GMT -5
As someone who once owned a legal machinegun (Colt M16) for a dozen years, I'll chime in. ANYONE who can own a regular firearm can own a machinegun, as long as they are legal in your state of residence. The questions on the paperwork are EXACTLY the same as the Form 4473 for regular firearms with one exception: you must be 21 years old instead of 18. If you can afford the machinegun, it's as simple as getting photographed, fingerprinted, and paying a one-time $200 tax.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 16, 2023 17:52:47 GMT -5
Do any public ranges allow full automatic guns ?
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Post by greghopper on Jan 16, 2023 17:55:49 GMT -5
I see the Shot show is in Vegas this week.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 16, 2023 18:08:56 GMT -5
Do any public ranges allow full automatic guns ? I have no idea. I always shot in my own backyard or someone's farm. Here's a video of me function testing a 7.5" upper in my backyard that I'd built myself: youtu.be/gOONKNDY_iI
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Post by esshup on Jan 16, 2023 19:45:53 GMT -5
Do any public ranges allow full automatic guns ? Top Guns in Terra Haute, Darnells in Bloomington do. none of the DNR ranges do. From the DNR website: This is not a comprehensive list of rules; please read and obey all rules posted at the range you visit. Eye and ear protection are required on all firearm ranges. All range users and visitors must wear a shirt and shoes (closed-toed shoes and full T-shirt suggested). Shoot only at paper targets placed on the provided target holders; clay targets are allowed on the shotgun range. Automatic fire and rapid fire (more than one shot per second) are prohibited. .50 caliber BMG or any firearm capable of delivering more than 9000 ft/lbf (foot pounds of force) are prohibited. Holstered firearms are not allowed anywhere on the shooting range, except by on-duty uniformed law enforcement officers. Eating, drinking, and smoking are allowed only in the parking area.
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