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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 8, 2023 17:40:18 GMT -5
This morning I got a call saying that Bass Pro decided to X-ray the rack. It showed screws attaching the shed antlers to a real skull cap!!! I was told that B&C would be contacted and they would request the buck be removed from the records. I contacted the guy that's been helping me investigate it and gave him that information. He called his contact at B&C to confirm it. B&C said that there was something going on with that buck but they could not make a statement or give out any information at this time. I am waiting to hear something official from B&C before I consider it finally resolved. This buck has been a high ranking typical for 30 years. Removing it from the records is going to be big. Two complete strangers believed my story about this rack and decided to help me find the truth. I am very thankful for everything they did. From all the digging and research, we have learned who the previous owners were. One thing that we discovered was that the antlers were sheds until they were owned by Larry Lawson. All of the owners after him believed they were on a skull cap and a legitimate deer. The taxidermist who mounted them for my dad did not use a real skull cap so it was clearly faked and not mistaken as real. Old photos of the skull were provided as evidence. I believe they are also fake. The photos don't really matter. The antlers were sheds when we owned them in the 80's. It wasn't scored until the early 90's. There is no way they were scored on an intact skull. I am glad our side of this story has been proven true. Whenever I hear that they have been officially removed I'll post an update.
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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 8, 2023 19:37:35 GMT -5
I believe it was faked long before they got involved. It was on a skull and scored in the early 90's. I don't think he was a collector at that time. He was probably in high school then.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Mar 8, 2023 19:39:25 GMT -5
Not mounted then a pic of it mounted? She is Also wearing the same top in both pics.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 8, 2023 19:47:44 GMT -5
I believe it was faked long before they got involved. It was on a skull and scored in the early 90's. I don't think he was a collector at that time. He was probably in high school then. True but someone actually put the rack(skull plate)on a mount which covers the skull plate and screws! Be interesting to know who the owner was when it was scored for B&C that’s when the legal affidavit was signed.
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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 8, 2023 20:32:16 GMT -5
I believe it was faked long before they got involved. It was on a skull and scored in the early 90's. I don't think he was a collector at that time. He was probably in high school then. True but someone actually put the rack(skull plate)on a mount which covers the skull plate and screws! Be interesting to know who the owner was when it was scored for B&C that’s when the legal affidavit was signed. Same background and time of year too. Maybe they cut it off the old mount that day. Maybe it was a really good fake and the screws were covered somehow. The antlers have been on several different mounts. If they were blatantly faked you would think someone would notice
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Post by stevein on Mar 8, 2023 22:04:43 GMT -5
My question is would the real buck have been taken later?
Not a lot of people had trail cams back then. Any around would have been film cameras so things were different then too. No social to spread it around either. But to fake it and only by chance it is discovered recently what are the odds? Way to stick with it Scrub.
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Post by esshup on Mar 8, 2023 23:10:52 GMT -5
No rush, get them straight first. I'm glad that you are doing this!
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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 9, 2023 5:22:18 GMT -5
My question is would the real buck have been taken later? Not a lot of people had trail cams back then. Any around would have been film cameras so things were different then too. No social to spread it around either. But to fake it and only by chance it is discovered recently what are the odds? Way to stick with it Scrub. We have no idea where or when this buck actually lived. I'm guessing sometime in the 70's based on what my dad remembers from what his coworker said. He lived in Ohio. As far as we know, that's the state they came from. He passed away years ago before we found out about this deer being in the record books. He was a guy who would buy and sell anything unique or different. He owned a tiger at one point. He was not a hunter and didn't seem like the type of person who would look for sheds. He probably bought them from someone else years before he sold them to my dad. I used to work part time for him when I was in my 20's. I wish I would have asked him about this deer back then.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 9, 2023 8:06:48 GMT -5
If you talk with the B&C guy again ask if he knows the date or year it was scored for B&C….That should tell you who the original shister is! IMO
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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 9, 2023 8:31:33 GMT -5
If you talk with the B&C guy again ask if he knows the date or year it was scored for B&C….That should tell you who the original shister is! IMO Or was the original shister the guy before that? Faked the skull, took some pictures, and made up a story to go along with it. Then let someone else have it measured and entered into the records.
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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 9, 2023 8:33:37 GMT -5
We may never know for sure who faked it. Getting it removed from the records was our goal from the very beginning. I'm honestly surprised that it actually happened.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 9, 2023 9:44:45 GMT -5
If you talk with the B&C guy again ask if he knows the date or year it was scored for B&C….That should tell you who the original shister is! IMO Or was the original shister the guy before that? Faked the skull, took some pictures, and made up a story to go along with it. Then let someone else have it measured and entered into the records. Who ever signed the affidavit to enter in B&C is the shister looking for money IMO It’s not uncommon to put sheds on a skull plate but you don’t sign an affidavit with a BS story then enter it into a record book. The person scoring it is somewhat at fault also! There is a record book for shed antlers… shedantlers.org/
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Post by old3arrows on Mar 9, 2023 11:06:44 GMT -5
Kind of odd it says Laughery Creek buck when the sheds were supposed to be found in Ohio? Will have to look for other Laughery Creek other than the one that runs through Friendship, IN.
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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 9, 2023 15:38:06 GMT -5
Not mounted then a pic of it mounted? She is Also wearing the same top in both pics. I was told that mount is one they use to display skull cap racks on. I guess it has a flap of hide that covers it for the pictures.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 9, 2023 16:10:24 GMT -5
Not mounted then a pic of it mounted? She is Also wearing the same top in both pics. I was told that mount is one they use to display skull cap racks on. I guess it has a flap of hide that covers it for the pictures. He does… when the Huff Buck went to ATA last year that was the mount it was on also from my understanding.
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Post by scrub-buster on Mar 24, 2023 1:48:07 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Mar 24, 2023 5:29:29 GMT -5
So Keith called B&C and had this cleared up…. And the deer had shed the antlers after being dead for some time?
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Post by Huntnfreak on Mar 24, 2023 6:15:55 GMT -5
Here’s the post for those that don’t have Facebook…. Someone’s getting ready to realize they’ve been scammed out of some money….
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Post by greghopper on Mar 24, 2023 6:22:41 GMT -5
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Post by Huntnfreak on Mar 24, 2023 6:34:02 GMT -5
There’s no way a “certain owner” didn’t know or see the screws or evidence of the screws being covered up on the bottom side of that skull plate. Antlers like that every square inch of that skull plate would’ve been looked at in detail…IMO. Keep following that money….
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