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Post by deadeer on Nov 22, 2021 19:30:46 GMT -5
That's kinda eerie! Esshup has mentioned the Oct 20 date to me recently! How he know? Maybe I should pay attention more often. Lol
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Nov 22, 2021 19:37:11 GMT -5
Definitely fits what I’m seeing right now. Interesting
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Post by greghopper on Nov 22, 2021 23:37:43 GMT -5
Some say deer were locked down 2 weeks ago now some say deer are starting to Rutt…. Crazy stuff for sure!
Enjoy the season it be over before you know it!
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2021 7:37:24 GMT -5
Some say deer were locked down 2 weeks ago now some say deer are starting to Rutt…. Crazy stuff for sure! Enjoy the season it be over before you know it! So what your saying is it's a normal year😆 🤣 😂. |
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Post by welder on Nov 23, 2021 7:48:34 GMT -5
Some say deer were locked down 2 weeks ago now some say deer are starting to Rutt…. Crazy stuff for sure! Enjoy the season it be over before you know it! So what your saying is it's a normal year😆 🤣 😂. No such thing as a "normal" anything, anymore! |
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Post by greghopper on Nov 23, 2021 10:08:53 GMT -5
Some say deer were locked down 2 weeks ago now some say deer are starting to Rutt…. Crazy stuff for sure! Enjoy the season it be over before you know it! So what your saying is it's a normal year😆 🤣 😂. Definitely plenty of room for a alibi if needed  |
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Nov 23, 2021 10:42:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised to start reading articles that deer are turned to being nocturnal yearly. That is how it is around my neighborhood. Any deer 3.5 years or older are very close to 100% nocturnal year round. If bad weather the 7 or so days during the peak (5-11) plus or minus a couple days of the rut the day sightings are almost zero. I guess time will tell. If you aren't hunting the hot daytime doe then you are out of luck. That's what I've run into this year.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Nov 23, 2021 10:51:11 GMT -5
All deer move at some point during the day. They do not lay in the same bed during all hours of daylight. They are just somewhere else besides around your stands or cameras.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 23, 2021 10:55:38 GMT -5
I’ve gotten very few day light mature buck pictures on my my camera this year. Most are 9pm to 3 am pictures.
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Post by dawnpatrol on Nov 23, 2021 11:24:51 GMT -5
Guess you just got to be where the party is @! Bucks had does pinned down big time around Nov. 7 and 8th here.....no suprise
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2021 11:40:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised to start reading articles that deer are turned to being nocturnal yearly. That is how it is around my neighborhood. Any deer 3.5 years or older are very close to 100% nocturnal year round. If bad weather the 7 or so days during the peak (5-11) plus or minus a couple days of the rut the day sightings are almost zero. I guess time will tell. If you aren't hunting the hot daytime doe then you are out of luck. That's what I've run into this year. Mature bucks are mostly nocturnal by nature ESPICALLY if human activity in a area. The more human exposure the less daylight activity. That said all deer will get up and move every 3-4 for a quick bit to eat and new bed, they will be in the thickest nastiest cover , stepest hillside , secluded location they can find. |
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Nov 23, 2021 12:15:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised to start reading articles that deer are turned to being nocturnal yearly. That is how it is around my neighborhood. Any deer 3.5 years or older are very close to 100% nocturnal year round. If bad weather the 7 or so days during the peak (5-11) plus or minus a couple days of the rut the day sightings are almost zero. I guess time will tell. If you aren't hunting the hot daytime doe then you are out of luck. That's what I've run into this year. Mature bucks are mostly nocturnal by nature ESPICALLY if human activity in a area. The more human exposure the less daylight activity. That said all deer will get up and move every 3-4 for a quick bit to eat and new bed, they will be in the thickest nastiest cover , stepest hillside , secluded location they can find. What I was getting at that the deer per hunting that survived are more genetic to all nocturnal. I get to hunt suburbia and rural deer. Their behavior is very different from the noise and activity of the area. I wonder hunting the year in year out in the same woods create where the deer behavior is closer to the suburbia deer behavior. |
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2021 12:40:32 GMT -5
This is way out there, but it seems our calendar is off around 10-14 days. 1st frost in the fall is 1 to 2 weeks later. Leaves drop later. In the spring the last frost now is late May. Before you could plant after Mother's day. Now it last week of May. So the rut is just just starting. My guess the 16th or 17th is best days. Not the 6th to 8th. I wonder if there is an angle data of the sun over the years. I need to look into that data. Is the sun higher or lower at noon. From Dr Deer James Krull We have heard from many of you about the inactivity of deer, particularly in the MidWest. At our research facility here in eastern Texas, we normally see our rut over by now; however, for the first time in 38 years, our rut is 21 days later! We just now are seeing breeding activity. Unfortunately, we predicted this earlier in the year. Whitetails prime on the October Hunters Moon, which this year occurred late— 20 October. The next full moon (Beaver) was 19 November; again late. So, we predicted the MidWestern rut would occur 3-5 days after this moon. Beginning yesterday, our deer are actively chasing, and we are getting reports from all over about rutting deer! The roads are covered in dead bucks. The good news is that next year, once again the rut will be more timely. I CALL BS. Mainly because SCIENCE tells us that amount of daylight is trigger for does to come into heat. (Not the MOON) and that does not change... I was once a big fan of Dr. Deer (James Kroll) but not so much these days as he is very commercialized and pushes products for his financial gain. Numerous sightings of deer being bred first week of November (Switz. Co.) and I witnessed lot's of seeking and chasing Nov. 2nd-11th when I killed my buck. End day Whitetail RUT is a marathon not a sprint with breeding going on over a 4 month long period , the PEAK has come and gone IMO and from my experience. |
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Post by greghopper on Nov 23, 2021 13:12:01 GMT -5
From Dr Deer James Krull We have heard from many of you about the inactivity of deer, particularly in the MidWest. At our research facility here in eastern Texas, we normally see our rut over by now; however, for the first time in 38 years, our rut is 21 days later! We just now are seeing breeding activity. Unfortunately, we predicted this earlier in the year. Whitetails prime on the October Hunters Moon, which this year occurred late— 20 October. The next full moon (Beaver) was 19 November; again late. So, we predicted the MidWestern rut would occur 3-5 days after this moon. Beginning yesterday, our deer are actively chasing, and we are getting reports from all over about rutting deer! The roads are covered in dead bucks. The good news is that next year, once again the rut will be more timely. I CALL BS. Mainly because SCIENCE tells us that amount of daylight is trigger for does to come into heat. (Not the MOON) and that does not change... I was once a big fan of Dr. Deer (James Kroll) but not so much these days as he is very commercialized and pushes products for his financial gain. Numerous sightings of deer being bred first week of November (Switz. Co.) and I witnessed lot's of seeking and chasing Nov. 2nd-11th when I killed my buck. End day Whitetail RUT is a marathon not a sprint with breeding going on over a 4 month long period , the PEAK has come and gone IMO and from my experience.  ….. maybe the Deer in reference are captive(not wild)he does a ton of that type of work! He has a FB page where that quote came from… the comments are all over the map! |
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Post by jimbob on Nov 23, 2021 15:33:14 GMT -5
I CALL BS. Mainly because SCIENCE tells us that amount of daylight is trigger for does to come into heat. (Not the MOON) and that does not change... I was once a big fan of Dr. Deer (James Kroll) but not so much these days as he is very commercialized and pushes products for his financial gain. Numerous sightings of deer being bred first week of November (Switz. Co.) and I witnessed lot's of seeking and chasing Nov. 2nd-11th when I killed my buck. End day Whitetail RUT is a marathon not a sprint with breeding going on over a 4 month long period , the PEAK has come and gone IMO and from my experience. ….. maybe the Deer in reference are captive(not wild)he does a ton of that type of work! He has a FB page where that quote came from… the comments are all over the map! I experienced the same activity between the 2 and 11th, however I don’t agree about the moon. I think one could make a case that if the moon is bright at night with no clouds, it could increase the amount of light taken in on a doe’s eye, possibly throwing off the timeline. The moon has an effect on all life, even humans… ever been to the hospital on full moon nights? Haha regardless, I’m no expert… but rather an over analyzer. |
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Post by treetop on Nov 23, 2021 16:36:32 GMT -5
From Dr Deer James Krull We have heard from many of you about the inactivity of deer, particularly in the MidWest. At our research facility here in eastern Texas, we normally see our rut over by now; however, for the first time in 38 years, our rut is 21 days later! We just now are seeing breeding activity. Unfortunately, we predicted this earlier in the year. Whitetails prime on the October Hunters Moon, which this year occurred late— 20 October. The next full moon (Beaver) was 19 November; again late. So, we predicted the MidWestern rut would occur 3-5 days after this moon. Beginning yesterday, our deer are actively chasing, and we are getting reports from all over about rutting deer! The roads are covered in dead bucks. The good news is that next year, once again the rut will be more timely. I CALL BS. Mainly because SCIENCE tells us that amount of daylight is trigger for does to come into heat. (Not the MOON) and that does not change... I was once a big fan of Dr. Deer (James Kroll) but not so much these days as he is very commercialized and pushes products for his financial gain. Numerous sightings of deer being bred first week of November (Switz. Co.) and I witnessed lot's of seeking and chasing Nov. 2nd-11th when I killed my buck. End day Whitetail RUT is a marathon not a sprint with breeding going on over a 4 month long period , the PEAK has come and gone IMO and from my experience. Agree 100 percent every thing in the wild has a point that they try and breed IMO it has nothing to do with weather cold moon it’s daylight hours it all has to do with when they give birth to give the best opportunity for there offspring to live At times you are going to have peaks usually the yearlings are the last to breed or a doe that did not take the first go around |
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Post by ukwil on Nov 23, 2021 17:50:53 GMT -5
I’ve gotten very few day light mature buck pictures on my my camera this year. Most are 9pm to 3 am pictures. Same here Woody |
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 23, 2021 18:45:18 GMT -5
I’ve gotten very few day light mature buck pictures on my my camera this year. Most are 9pm to 3 am pictures. Same here Woody I think the warm temperatures end Oct and early November were more at play for more nighttime movement this year than anything else. |
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Post by chewbacca on Nov 24, 2021 8:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by boonechaser on Nov 24, 2021 9:39:41 GMT -5
LOL. Not first time he has flip flopped over years. I followed him a bunch early in my hunting career in 80's attending couple seminars and have his 1st book (Even autographed). Lol. He is kinda a has been as of late and as I said earlier big into pushing his products. Heck at one time he pushed theory that brass ica's offered little nutritional value and deer didn't utilize. Trying to stay realivent I guess with a new theory or something?? Who knows. |
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