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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 28, 2021 13:56:48 GMT -5
That is a shame, beautiful buck. Last one I found, my local county sheriff gave me no questions but he knew i worked to get it out and make sure 100 someone wasn't looking for it and I had the means to dispose of it and mount it. In your case I would have spoke to a co and tell them what you did and that you wanted it. Yuck on the local boys
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Post by saltydog on Oct 29, 2021 4:59:27 GMT -5
Sad thing is there is a deer processor 1/2 mile from there, he would of gladly taken it.
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Post by indianajoe on Oct 29, 2021 19:27:52 GMT -5
they deemed the deer to full of infection without skinning the deer? are they police officers or doctors? that sounds way to fishy.
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Post by titanium700 on Oct 29, 2021 23:07:11 GMT -5
Sounds to me like mr. Officer wanted the rack….. Ida given him a hard way to go if it was on my property, shoot i would’ve called my buddy who is a CO and had him come over. I doubt mr. Officer would’ve left with it.
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Post by hunthard4 on Oct 30, 2021 4:14:39 GMT -5
Sounds to me like mr. Officer wanted the rack….. Ida given him a hard way to go if it was on my property, shoot i would’ve called my buddy who is a CO and had him come over. I doubt mr. Officer would’ve left with it. If that deer had been on property I hunt, they would’ve gotten a call after I did what needed to be done.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Oct 30, 2021 6:56:42 GMT -5
I know every situation is different but I've heard of LEO's taking heads before. One particular situation is a guy I know who is not a hunter was headed to work and hits a buck he said it was huge the cop says it's the biggest buck he'd ever seen. The car is smashed up pretty bad and the guy I know wants the antlers the cop says no I'm keeping them. The guy I know didn't argue because it wasn't that important to him. The way I see it is if you just totaled your car you should have an option to keep the meat and rack then if you don't want it the deer can go through "due process".
I agree I am 100% pro cops but I think shady stuff happens in situations like this. Maybe I'm just skeptical because of where I stand as far as a hunter and if the I hit one even a spike I'd want the head at least and it would go into my garage on the wall just to be able to say "I got that one with my Toyota" I hesitate on the meat because I've usually got one in the freezer do someone ould have the meat but I would still not let it go to waste, if I knew it was going to be picked up then fine, if I knew it wasn't going to be picked up then I would salvage what I could.
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 30, 2021 7:21:37 GMT -5
Oh yeah, the person that hits the deer get first dibs. At least they should anyhow.
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Post by titanium700 on Oct 30, 2021 7:30:56 GMT -5
I believe that is how it works.
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Post by treetop on Oct 30, 2021 13:29:04 GMT -5
I believe you but call bs that the meat could not be saved my brother hit a deer and they asked him you want it of course he called me I probably got 50 to 60 percent of the meat
My cousin had one in his front yard that had been hit he called me also I called the sheriff said they would come out and look at it. I told him I would like the meat if possible they came out but said they had to shoot it why I have no idea. I would of taken a head shot but he shot it in the front shoulder 3 times ruined a bunch of meat still end up with the rear 1/4 but I could of easily had a 1/2 a deer again
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Post by ms660 on Oct 30, 2021 22:22:24 GMT -5
This situation most definitely needs to be reported to the local conservation officer, or the IDNR. Nothing es me off more when those that have power abuse that power.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 3, 2021 16:58:01 GMT -5
Any update on this Topic?
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Post by hunthard4 on Nov 3, 2021 18:14:32 GMT -5
I emailed what I thought was the district 6 CO. He emailed back today and said he wasn’t the right guy to handle this situation. I’m emailing back to see if he can point me in the right direction.
Unfortunately, I feel like I’m chasing my tail.
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Post by tradbowguy82 on Nov 4, 2021 13:07:44 GMT -5
I emailed what I thought was the district 6 CO. He emailed back today and said he wasn’t the right guy to handle this situation. I’m emailing back to see if he can point me in the right direction. Unfortunately, I feel like I’m chasing my tail. PM sent
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Post by vikings on Nov 5, 2021 7:41:59 GMT -5
If the officer is shady about this makes me think he is a crooked cop not limited to just this decision. Scary to think he can control your freedom.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 5, 2021 7:57:52 GMT -5
I emailed what I thought was the district 6 CO. He emailed back today and said he wasn’t the right guy to handle this situation. I’m emailing back to see if he can point me in the right direction. Unfortunately, I feel like I’m chasing my tail. Wow this story is getting strange. Not on your part but the LEO's??? Why so secretive?
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Post by tradbowguy82 on Nov 7, 2021 23:16:26 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of an old saying about what happens when one ASSUMES.
Allow me to introduce myself, I am the officer who ended up with the deer in question. Long story but here we go. I encourage you to read my entire post.
Got called to 1515 Hancel Parkway for an injured deer. I responded and there were already 3 officers and a new guy in training. Middle aged man from business at above address pointed us to a patch of woods south of him where the deer went. I was last to walk in and immediately smelled death. I looked in the direction of the wind and saw the buck laying in a thick patch of woods. I was maybe 15 feet away from him and could see a huge wound on his right next and behind his head. At the time I thought the drop tine was antler from another deer stuck in his neck. The other officers had walked right by him.
I told my supervisor I would take the deer if he allowed me to take the rest of the day off. He said I could and I put down the deer. I have been a police officer for 18 years and hunted about 26 years, it was obvious the deer needed put down. After the buck was dispatched he was examined. The wound on his neck had maggots coming from it, he had two small puncture wounds on his loin on the right side and two large blisters full of infection near his anus. He smelled terrible like rotting flesh. I did open him up to gut him and felt inside for wounds and the smell of him on the inside was awful. It was apparent to myself and the other officers he was unfit to consume. The deer showed no sign of being hit by a car as first reported.
The wound on his neck and back of head was about 8" by 8" and the hair was gone. The skin was like leather and maggots were very active. This buck was a warrior but sepsis had gotten the best of this poor guy. I first thought the deer got into a fight with another buck and got injured which led to infection. During this time the closest DNR officer was about 45 minutes away. We have no DNR officer assigned to Morgan or Johnson County so have to rely on DNR from other areas. The deer was close enough to SR 67 that waiting 45 minutes was not an option. The deer was in bad enough shape it wouldnt of been fair to make his suffer any longer than necessary.
The patch of woods the deer was found in and dispatched in is owned by the Mooresville Redevelopment Committee. That doesnt really matter but Im trying to include as much detail to this as possible. People did want to see the deer and understandably so. I told the officers that anyone who wanted to see the deer should come to the Mooresville Police Department where another officer issued the salvage tag. I wanted people to see me get the tag and I had other family obligations that afternoon and I didnt have a ton of time to spare. I knew if I got into a circle of fellow hunters talking about deer I might still be there lol.
The nephew of the guy who showed us where the deer was is the only person who showed up to look at the deer. He took the picture on this thread of the deer head laying in my truck. We talked and he saw the maggot activity on the deer. We agreed it was a sad ending to a great animal.
Within a couple hours I got a call from a friend who works with hunthard4 wife. My friend was telling me that hunthard4 was upset and I explained the situation to my friend. I have no idea if my friend relayed information to hunthard4 wife or not. I never talked to hunthard4 until November 4 when I became a member here and sent him a message with my cell.
I talked with DNR again a few days after putting the deer down since this post created a lot of talk within DNR headquarters. The CO agreed everything was fine and he talked with another officer that witnessed the maggot activity on the deer. The CO said I was okay to proceed with taking head to taxidermist to have the skull cleaned.
Two days later I catch wind from another friend of mine that the deer had been shot 2.5 miles south of where I dispatched it on October 19. I dispatched the deer a week later on the 26th. My friend was called in to track the deer with his dog. My friend is very well known in our area and many of you have probably heard of him and his dog. I will keep his name out of this for now. We talked and I told him to give my information to the hunter. My friend sent me trail cam pics of the deer when it was healthy that the hunter had shared with him. They obviously never found the deer despite a long track. It was shot with a crossbow from 50 yards and it was quartering away. The hunter had no idea where the deer was hit. I hate the deer had to suffer for a full 7 days from a shot that should of never happened.
I hear nothing from the hunter and then two days later DNR reaches back out to me. CO told me they had talked to the hunter and got my information. CO got copy of our report and talked to a couple of us who were present. CO asked me if I would give the deer to the hunter. I will be honest and at first I did not want to. I felt like the shot the hunter took was not very ethical and I did not want to reward a poor decision of a bad shot by giving the hunter the deer. I would of much rather heard the deer was shot at 25 yards and moved when hunter shot or something along those lines. 50 yards quartering away in a highly stressful situation with an arrow, doesnt sound good to me but I hunt with a recurve and am very conservative with my shot selection. BTW I did kill a big body 8 pointer with my recurve this week.....
Anyway I called the CO back about an hour later and told her where the deer was at. There was no game violation or department policy violation in this case and it was left up to me if I wanted to give the head back or not. The CO told me she did not know if DNR would keep it or if the hunter would get it. The CO was adamant about getting the deer from taxidermist herself and wanted me out of the loop. To be honest I was okay with that I was just trying to keep DNR out of my taxidermist shop since he is a friend of mine.
The CO called taxidermist and told him the hunter would contact him direct about how he wanted the deer mounted. The hunter had to burn his buck tag on the buck and his confirmation number replaced my salvage tag.
As you can see this story is not as nefarious as it was made out to be. I was merely the placeholder for the deer. At least the deer goes to someone who has a history with it.
This thread was created about 30 HOURS after the deer was dispatched. There was no effort from hunthard4 to contact me direct or contact my admin. A story was created that the deer had been hit by a car and we wasted the meat from the deer. This was the CNN version of what really happened.
I talked with hunthard4 on my cell the other night to tell him everything I just typed. I had never talked to him before and did not see him there the day of the incident. Hunthard4 told me one of our officers was rude to him and wouldnt let him go look at the deer. Again, I told the other officers to tell anyone who wanted to see the deer to meet me at the police department. There was nothing for me to hide in this situation. All I can do is apologize if a fellow officer is rude to someone. One phone call from hunthard4 to my department would of answered his questions.
There isnt always fire where one sees smoke and things are not always as they appear. I have my opinion on why this post was started but I will keep that to myself. I can't think of any details that I have left out. I would like to say the pictures do not do this deer justice. It was truly a magnificent animal and I am glad I was able to get him to a good place. I wish the hunter would of reached out to me directly. I wouldn't of denied the guy the deer since he was able to show a history with it through trail cam pics.
This post angered me to no end. I am over it now but I get tired of being made to look like a villain no matter what we (police) do. I have seen almost everything you can imagine in my almost 20 years. I have worked with lots of great officers. This post is like many other police situations. People dream up a story and make up their minds before knowing any of the details.
Well I am tired and I have doe tags to fill in the morning. I just sharpened my broadheads and been shooting my howard hill longbow instead of my black widow recurve. I will finish the season with my longbow since the black widow recurve has already done its job for the season.
tradbowguy82 is signing off, good night.........
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Post by genesis273 on Nov 7, 2021 23:57:20 GMT -5
Thanks for providing the facts of the case. Sorry that things got twisted around on here.
Kudos to you for taking the higher road and letting the hunter have the mount. Although I do agree the shot was unethical, I too have wounded deer with archery tackle and hadn't made a recovery so I probably don't reserve the right to condemn that hunter.
Congratulations on your tad bow buck harvest. I'd love to see a picture. But, if this thread has left a bad taste in your mouth in regards to this hunting forum, I understand if you don't want to.
Good luck, hunt safe and God Bless.
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Post by genesis273 on Nov 8, 2021 0:00:26 GMT -5
Also, I apologize for making the assumption that all the facts presented first were truthful and the fact that the deer meat could have been salvaged.
My apologies.
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Post by deadeer on Nov 8, 2021 0:17:13 GMT -5
I agree it's good to see the facts. Hope it works out fairly for all parties.
Being a hunter, you have to know that a big buck draws skepticism, greed, selfishness, etc in unbelievable quantities. A small buck or doe would have never drawn a 2nd look.
Thanks for your service.
Please stick around and see this is one of the best outdoors sites there is. I'm sure the tensions were just "fly off the handle" feelings and all will be smoothed over after the facts and timeline are all presented and everybody satisfied.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 8, 2021 5:58:02 GMT -5
I had personally wondered if it was hit buy a vehicle buy just looking at pics.Guess not!
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