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Post by span870 on May 2, 2021 16:02:00 GMT -5
Having a 250 ft. deep well and the submersible pump goes bad so you decide to pull it and when you get said pump up to the top of the well the connection from the hose to the pump snaps and pump falls back to bottom of well only connected by wiring anymore.
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Post by esshup on May 2, 2021 16:22:35 GMT -5
Where's your big magnet?
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Post by span870 on May 2, 2021 16:54:39 GMT -5
Pump is below the opening of the caisson as best as I can tell wedged sideways below the bottom opening
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Post by genesis273 on May 2, 2021 18:03:21 GMT -5
I do not envy you right now. I know very little about wells so I would be in panic mode.
Good luck getting it resolved.
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Post by esshup on May 2, 2021 20:10:16 GMT -5
Pump is below the opening of the caisson as best as I can tell wedged sideways below the bottom opening There shouldn't be an opening, the well screen should be attached to the well casing. If not it will suck up sand and dirt.
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Post by span870 on May 2, 2021 21:09:29 GMT -5
Pump is below the opening of the caisson as best as I can tell wedged sideways below the bottom opening There shouldn't be an opening, the well screen should be attached to the well casing. If not it will suck up sand and dirt. Whether there should or shouldn't or was , there is now.
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Post by esshup on May 3, 2021 8:20:21 GMT -5
That's not good.
Unfortunately I would call a well driller now. You might need a new casing and screen. I don't know if they can pull it and replace it or if they have to drill a completely new well.
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Post by stevein on May 3, 2021 10:11:21 GMT -5
When our well was drilled they used 6" pipe for a 4" pump. That way they can just slide smaller casing down instead drilling new. Did not very much more so I said ok. I hope a driller can fix you up.
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Post by 36fan on May 3, 2021 16:45:23 GMT -5
It SHOULD have had a safety cable attached to the pump, and now you know why. As esshup said, when the well was drilled it should have a screen and not just an open casing at the bottom.
I'm guessing your cheapest option is to leave the old pump at the bottom and get a new one. It won't hurt anything to leave it down there. Your most expensive option would be to overdrill the well. An in between option would be to abandon/plug the well and drill a new one.
A submersible well pump shouldn't take up the entire width of the casing, so water can flow around it, and pumps are not typically set at the very bottom of the casing.
How is your well's recharge? Do you typically have enough water, or does the pump suck air in the dry season? Since it is 250 feet deep I'm making the presumption that it is set in bedrock, and that it is under "confined" conditions, which means the water level in your well will rise above the screen. If so, you should be fine just replacing the pump and leaving the old one in place.
It's worth talking to a licensed, reputable well driller in your area. They may be able to put a camera down the well and somehow retrieve it.
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Post by 36fan on May 3, 2021 16:50:06 GMT -5
When our well was drilled they used 6" pipe for a 4" pump. That way they can just slide smaller casing down instead drilling new. Did not very much more so I said ok. I hope a driller can fix you up. His justification doesn't make sense. The reason for using a larger casing is to have more water "stored" in the well casing. If your well were to go bad, it wouldn't do any good to put another pipe inside of it. You want to have a smaller diameter pump than the diameter of the casing so water can flow around the pump. The intake is at the bottom of the pump.
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Post by treetop on May 4, 2021 15:01:35 GMT -5
I’d probably drop a new pump in and try it before I ever drilled another well as said I’d say water should get past the odd pump
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Post by span870 on May 5, 2021 4:16:31 GMT -5
Still down there and not an inch of budging. Still have the three wire attached. Tried to hit it to push it down some with zero movement. Next step is to have it scoped and see what we are working with to decide next step.
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Post by welder on May 5, 2021 14:46:29 GMT -5
I would just drop in another submersible pump and see what happens. Drilling a 250' well is going to be BIG $$$$!
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Post by span870 on May 5, 2021 14:50:18 GMT -5
I would just drop in another submersible pump and see what happens. Drilling a 250' well is going to be BIG $$$$! More curious than anything else right now. I want to be sure I have the room to drop the pump on top of the other before I do all the work. Figure the camera will tell me all I need to know. Definitely not going to drill another well.
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Post by 36fan on May 7, 2021 4:22:51 GMT -5
How deep was the pump set? How long is the pipe you pulled out?
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Post by bartiks on May 7, 2021 7:37:03 GMT -5
I agree with 36, I would like to know how much was pulled out before it broke, that way you can kind of judge how far down it is. And as you had mentioned I would try to scope it and see what the situation is. At any rate hope you don't have to drill another one, as it has been mentioned that will set you back a chunk. Best of luck and keep us updated.
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Post by span870 on May 8, 2021 3:24:20 GMT -5
How deep was the pump set? How long is the pipe you pulled out? Rough estimate, 100ft +/- using the toe to toe tape measure. I have the 100ft of pipe laying and if I put the pipe back down I hit the pump at 100ft. I have zero idea where the 250ft measure came from when I first posted this. I was talking to a well guy the other day and re-measured. Maybe the frustration of the whole situation but we are at 100 +/-. I did try to push the pump back down and got no where. Will say at one point I got past the pump and it dropped way down after the pump. Had a well guy out yesterday but he won't put the camera down with the electric wire still attached. Too much risk for the camera to get hung up. Advice he gave me. Cant do anything with the wire attached. Cant reuse the wire. Can't use the pump that's down there. He told me MAYBE if I winched on the wire just maybe the pump may pop loose. Regardless, wire has to come out before we do anything so either it pops loose or the pump comes up. Thinks maybe because the limestone, a rock or something dislodged and is causing the pump to be stuck. Asked him about not being a screen at the bottom. He said in this area and it being a small residential well and the age that usually, in this area, there isn't one. Idk, but wish me luck after I get off work. Any bets on the outcome of said pump being in my hands later?
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Post by treetop on May 8, 2021 5:37:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately I believe wire will break were it attached to the pump that is the weakest point
Your well maybe 250 deep but pumps are hung below water line not dropped all the way down from what I understand they are still inside casing that way they don’t get stuck when pulling them up
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Post by budd on May 8, 2021 7:42:32 GMT -5
I have a drilled well, 4 inch casing, 117ft. My pump is 7ft down and has a cable tethered to it. My outside hydrant broke this spring, I called a well guy to come fix it. He carefully unscrewed it, pulled it out of the ground, put a new piece on the bottom and pushed that sucker back down the same hole and screwed it into place. Now had I done that I'm sure a 1/2 inch rock would have fell in the hole and I would have had a excavating company out here digging up my yard...LOL
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Post by span870 on May 9, 2021 4:26:21 GMT -5
I have a drilled well, 4 inch casing, 117ft. My pump is 7ft down and has a cable tethered to it. My outside hydrant broke this spring, I called a well guy to come fix it. He carefully unscrewed it, pulled it out of the ground, put a new piece on the bottom and pushed that sucker back down the same hole and screwed it into place. Now had I done that I'm sure a 1/2 inch rock would have fell in the hole and I would have had a excavating company out here digging up my yard...LOL Don't you hate those guys that come out and fix stuff. You know, look at me. This is my job. I know what I'm doing. I'm done and everything is as it should be. Such show offs and full of themselves. The guy that came out said, I'm not sure how you did this and what exactly is that contraption and how does it work. Shut up and get back in your fancy truck with xyz well drilling and idiot fixing written on the side. I don't need your help. No one, and I mean no one on this site can dig a deeper hole with a shovel building a mess than I can. Anymore I just go straight to an excavator to dig the "hole". Edit: pump is still stuck.
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