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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 11, 2021 13:57:06 GMT -5
First a disclaimer: I have not read through many of the posts here and really don't have time for it. I do not know if these claims are real I just want your opinion on the subject and do not want to argue or start an argument.
Do you believe antifa started the raid on the capitol building? Or was it organied by the far right? Or what is your theory?
Please don't be upset I just want your opinions.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 11, 2021 14:08:26 GMT -5
Sorry I thought I had posted this in the political forum Woody please feel free to move this.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2021 14:16:49 GMT -5
I do believe that Antifa was involved. I’ve never seen any Trumpers show up at a Trump rally wearing helmets, Face shields, knee and elbow pads and packing shields. To what was there involvement extent I would not fathom a guess.
I think the ones that actually broke into the buildings themselves were a very small minority of the people that were at the rally/protest. It is really unfortunate that anyone who attended this rally/protest has been branded a “rioter” and some have lost their employment.
It doesn’t take much to get caught up in the heat of the moment in a mob. “Mob mentality”. Knowng which way the media slants things I knew this would not be helpful to any Conservative cause when the breach started. It has shown the hypocrisy of the media when all summer they reported on “mostly peaceful protest”, but this to them was a full scale “riot”. I do wonder why there was not better security?
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 11, 2021 14:17:41 GMT -5
Sorry I thought I had posted this in the political forum Woody please feel free to move this. No problem. I’ll move it |
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Post by jjas on Jan 11, 2021 15:32:01 GMT -5
I don't know who was involved and to me it makes NO difference who these people are.
If you were involved in pushing your way into the Capitol, fighting with Capitol Police, damaging the Capitol, taking items from the Capitol, etc and law enforcement finds and arrests you, so be it.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 11, 2021 15:53:07 GMT -5
Jjas I agree 100% however I would like to think there was more to it than what met the eye. I was on second shift for the week when it happened, I had just gitten out if bed and I thought it was a bunch of leftists. I said they all shiuld be arrested! I didn't have my glasses on yet my wife had to explain they were waiving Trump flags. I was very saddened by the sight but then told my wife they still need to be arrested.
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 11, 2021 17:09:39 GMT -5
Just saw on the news where Biden-Harris inauguration slogan is America United. They only need 15000 National Guard troops to enforce it. You can’t make this stuff up.
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Post by subzero350 on Jan 11, 2021 19:45:45 GMT -5
First a disclaimer: I have not read through many of the posts here and really don't have time for it. I do not know if these claims are real I just want your opinion on the subject and do not want to argue or start an argument. Do you believe antifa started the raid on the capitol building? Or was it organied by the far right? Or what is your theory? Please don't be upset I just want your opinions. There were definitely antifa in the group that breached the capitol building. I've seen pictures comparing some of those "bad actors" in the capitol building that match up with pictures taken last year at various BLM/antifa protests. I have no doubt antifa infiltrated the MAGA group and egged them on to storm the capitol building. On a side note, does anyone else wonder why it was so EASY for the protestors to get inside of the capitol building; not to mention the general lack of police presence there at the time?Were ALL of the protestors that breached the capitol building antifa? No. There were some Trump supporters that were part of that group. The woman that was shot and killed by capitol police (Ashli Babbit) appears to be a long-time Trump supporter. Was it wrong to breach the capitol building? IMO: yes. But last year we were told by VP Elect Harris on down that protests were "ok" and "justified". I guess I'm a little confused about what we were told was ok and justified last year but somehow last week's protest at the capitol wasn't. |
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Post by jjas on Jan 11, 2021 20:04:43 GMT -5
First a disclaimer: I have not read through many of the posts here and really don't have time for it. I do not know if these claims are real I just want your opinion on the subject and do not want to argue or start an argument. Do you believe antifa started the raid on the capitol building? Or was it organied by the far right? Or what is your theory? Please don't be upset I just want your opinions. There were definitely antifa in the group that breached the capitol building. I've seen pictures comparing some of those "bad actors" in the capitol building that match up with pictures taken last year at various BLM/antifa protests. I have no doubt antifa infiltrated the MAGA group and egged them on to storm the capitol building. On a side note, does anyone else wonder why it was so EASY for the protestors to get inside of the capitol building; not to mention the general lack of police presence there at the time?Were ALL of the protestors that breached the capitol building antifa? No. There were some Trump supporters that were part of that group. The woman that was shot and killed by capitol police (Ashli Babbit) appears to be a long-time Trump supporter. Was it wrong to breach the capitol building? IMO: yes. But last year we were told by VP Elect Harris on down that protests were "ok" and "justified". I guess I'm a little confused about what we were told was ok and justified last year but somehow last week's protest at the capitol wasn't. I get your point (and can't argue that there wasn't a double standard), but the reality for me is, both groups were wrong. Period. |
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Post by esshup on Jan 12, 2021 13:48:31 GMT -5
There were definitely antifa in the group that breached the capitol building. I've seen pictures comparing some of those "bad actors" in the capitol building that match up with pictures taken last year at various BLM/antifa protests. I have no doubt antifa infiltrated the MAGA group and egged them on to storm the capitol building. On a side note, does anyone else wonder why it was so EASY for the protestors to get inside of the capitol building; not to mention the general lack of police presence there at the time?Were ALL of the protestors that breached the capitol building antifa? No. There were some Trump supporters that were part of that group. The woman that was shot and killed by capitol police (Ashli Babbit) appears to be a long-time Trump supporter. Was it wrong to breach the capitol building? IMO: yes. But last year we were told by VP Elect Harris on down that protests were "ok" and "justified". I guess I'm a little confused about what we were told was ok and justified last year but somehow last week's protest at the capitol wasn't. I get your point (and can't argue that there wasn't a double standard), but the reality for me is, both groups were wrong. Period. I completely agree that both groups were wrong. I am peeved that the BLM "peaceful protests" didn't result in the same amount of legal ramifications for those people as it did for the people in this one. Maybe a wee bit too close to home for the people in power? I sent an email after getting his "We are not enemies, we are Americans" e-mail to Senator Todd Young yesterday asking why the the "Peaceful Protest" at the Capitol Building was called a riot and the BLM "riot" where they destroyed property and people were shot was called a "Peaceful Protest"? So far no response, but the day is still young. |
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Post by steiny on Jan 13, 2021 16:05:19 GMT -5
First a disclaimer: Do you believe antifa started the raid on the capitol building? Or was it organied by the far right? Or what is your theory? Yes, I believe antifa or some other far left group did the actual window breaking, violence and the majority of the entering the building, etc. |
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Post by stevein on Jan 13, 2021 16:56:57 GMT -5
Something I noticed were the two guys with the zip tie handcuffs. They had to bring those with them. Where does the average guy even get them? Someone had to organize the breech. Just who remains to be seen. I hope they are found and all are prosecuted.
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Post by esshup on Jan 13, 2021 17:30:02 GMT -5
A buddy said they were going in there to kidnap someone. I said show me the proof, I think they had the zip tie handcuffs to tie a few double doors closed. If there was proof, then someone would already be arrested like the idiots in Michigan.
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 14, 2021 15:01:33 GMT -5
Just saw on the news where Biden-Harris inauguration slogan is America United. They only need 15000 National Guard troops to enforce it. You can’t make this stuff up. My mistake, 20,000 National Guard troops to unite America. |
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 14, 2021 16:36:29 GMT -5
If far left activists were not involved one would wonder why not, as it seems an obvious thing to do.
I think they are deeply involved in online rumors and "stirring things up." Both trees in the political woods produce many nuts, and one needs only to shake the branches.
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Post by jman46151 on Jan 14, 2021 17:55:49 GMT -5
Something I noticed were the two guys with the zip tie handcuffs. They had to bring those with them. Where does the average guy even get them? Someone had to organize the breech. Just who remains to be seen. I hope they are found and all are prosecuted. They were arrested. |
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Post by stevein on Jan 15, 2021 9:34:17 GMT -5
I was given this link to a BLM ANTIFA activist arrested in the breech of the Capitol. I know nothing about zerohedge and I did not fact check it. If it is true I would think some security agency would have uncovered the plot to take the Capitol. DISCLAIMER; This did not come to me in a dream. I have no idea of how to surf the dark web and no desire to. www.zerohedge.com/political/blm-activist-who-stormed-capitol-jan-6-arrested-charged |
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 15, 2021 15:46:04 GMT -5
Just saw on the news where Biden-Harris inauguration slogan is America United. They only need 15000 National Guard troops to enforce it. You can’t make this stuff up. My mistake, 20,000 National Guard troops to unite America. Darn, I’ll get this right sooner or later, 25,000 National Guard and police to unite America. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 15, 2021 17:52:59 GMT -5
My mistake, 20,000 National Guard troops to unite America. Darn, I’ll get this right sooner or later, 25,000 National Guard and police to unite America. More soldiers than are in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. |
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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2021 18:46:45 GMT -5
Glad I don’t live in that direct area because it will be like going in Fort Knox for awhile!
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