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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 3, 2020 20:32:36 GMT -5
I understand the law i understand it's purpose but it is a waste of time to create such a law because it's not inforced. There is a 50 shell limit on DNR ground for doves. I have never had more than 50 shells. I have never been checked on this limit even when my license was checked and my gun was checked for a plug by a game warden. These laws are not inforced. Basically you could say the same about a lot of the game laws in all reality! Yes hunters are on the “honor system” a lot. Unfortunately some don’t have any honor. |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 4, 2020 5:17:51 GMT -5
I understand the law i understand it's purpose but it is a waste of time to create such a law because it's not inforced. There is a 50 shell limit on DNR ground for doves. I have never had more than 50 shells. I have never been checked on this limit even when my license was checked and my gun was checked for a plug by a game warden. These laws are not inforced. Basically you could say the same about a lot of the game laws in all reality! I agree with that, I see this as a "Well I see you don't have a license or a stamp what other laws are you breaking?" Type of law. Probably not something they are going to go after unless they caught someone breaking a more noticeable violation or it's blatantly obvious. Can you imagine how long it would take to ask every hunter they came across to show them all the shells they have? "Ok is that all you have? Do you have any in your jacket? Do you have anymore in your pack?..." This isn't a violation that they go out looking for from their initial contact with a hunter. I don't use lead sinkers but how many times has a game warden checked me for lead sinkers while fishing? ZERO. Same thing. |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 4, 2020 5:20:00 GMT -5
Basically you could say the same about a lot of the game laws in all reality! Yes hunters are on the “honor system” a lot. Unfortunately some don’t have any honor. Also a true statement. |
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Post by firstwd on Dec 4, 2020 5:43:20 GMT -5
Basically you could say the same about a lot of the game laws in all reality! I agree with that, I see this as a "Well I see you don't have a license or a stamp what other laws are you breaking?" Type of law. Probably not something they are going to go after unless they caught someone breaking a more noticeable violation or it's blatantly obvious. Can you imagine how long it would take to ask every hunter they came across to show them all the shells they have? "Ok is that all you have? Do you have any in your jacket? Do you have anymore in your pack?..." This isn't a violation that they go out looking for from their initial contact with a hunter. I don't use lead sinkers but how many times has a game warden checked me for lead sinkers while fishing? ZERO. Same thing. On the shell limited waterfowl hunts, they absolutely check and count your ammunition. Obviously a different situation, but checks are done and tickets are written. |
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Post by stevein on Dec 4, 2020 9:00:17 GMT -5
Ok I don't tend to use more than 5 shells per year between checking my zero and killing deer but how would a 10 bullet limit possibly be inforced? I see this as a waste if time to even discuss in any "rules meeting" and a waste of energy to get into the books. When you think about it most Fish & Game laws are done on your honor. Hunting I think I have been checked way less time than 10 times. Probably about once every 6 years or so. They check for plugs and non-tox shot so why not rounds? |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 4, 2020 9:25:55 GMT -5
Ok I don't tend to use more than 5 shells per year between checking my zero and killing deer but how would a 10 bullet limit possibly be inforced? I see this as a waste if time to even discuss in any "rules meeting" and a waste of energy to get into the books. When you think about it most Fish & Game laws are done on your honor. Hunting I think I have been checked way less time than 10 times. Probably about once every 6 years or so. They check for plugs and non-tox shot so why not rounds? I hear you but have been checked twice while dove hunting licence and plug checked out no mention if shells. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 4, 2020 9:29:59 GMT -5
When you think about it most Fish & Game laws are done on your honor. Hunting I think I have been checked way less time than 10 times. Probably about once every 6 years or so. They check for plugs and non-tox shot so why not rounds? I hear you but have been checked twice while dove hunting licence and plug checked out no mention if shells. They probably can just look on the ground and see the shell count... no need to ask! Plus that’s not a state wide rule just a property rule. |
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Post by esshup on Dec 4, 2020 9:46:12 GMT -5
Not here in Indiana, but we have been checked twice in the same day by the same CO while out dove hunting. Once in the morning when he wrote how many birds we had on our license and once in the afternoon. He said he sees so many hunters that he doesn't remember who he's checked and who he hasn't unless something memorable happens.
I'm curious about how they'd check for non-toxic shot if you reloaded and DIDN'T use steel, but used something like Bismuth or Hevi-Shot. A magnet won't work, on that like a magnet works on steel. How would they make sure that it wasn't lead shot??
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Post by deadeer on Dec 4, 2020 9:53:37 GMT -5
Not here in Indiana, but we have been checked twice in the same day by the same CO while out dove hunting. Once in the morning when he wrote how many birds we had on our license and once in the afternoon. He said he sees so many hunters that he doesn't remember who he's checked and who he hasn't unless something memorable happens. I'm curious about how they'd check for non-toxic shot if you reloaded and DIDN'T use steel, but used something like Bismuth or Hevi-Shot. A magnet won't work, on that like a magnet works on steel. How would they make sure that it wasn't lead shot?? A waterfowler I know said they confiscate a shell and your info, then send it in to be analyzed. |
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Post by jman46151 on Dec 4, 2020 13:04:14 GMT -5
Not here in Indiana, but we have been checked twice in the same day by the same CO while out dove hunting. Once in the morning when he wrote how many birds we had on our license and once in the afternoon. He said he sees so many hunters that he doesn't remember who he's checked and who he hasn't unless something memorable happens. I'm curious about how they'd check for non-toxic shot if you reloaded and DIDN'T use steel, but used something like Bismuth or Hevi-Shot. A magnet won't work, on that like a magnet works on steel. How would they make sure that it wasn't lead shot?? A waterfowler I know said they confiscate a shell and your info, then send it in to be analyzed. Sounds like an automatic $2 fine just for using it. |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 4, 2020 15:08:12 GMT -5
Not here in Indiana, but we have been checked twice in the same day by the same CO while out dove hunting. Once in the morning when he wrote how many birds we had on our license and once in the afternoon. He said he sees so many hunters that he doesn't remember who he's checked and who he hasn't unless something memorable happens. I'm curious about how they'd check for non-toxic shot if you reloaded and DIDN'T use steel, but used something like Bismuth or Hevi-Shot. A magnet won't work, on that like a magnet works on steel. How would they make sure that it wasn't lead shot?? A waterfowler I know said they confiscate a shell and your info, then send it in to be analyzed. I've heard the same thing from a game warden. |
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 7, 2020 7:30:03 GMT -5
That section expired this June...I'm assuming it wad adopted in similar wording forward? |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 7, 2020 7:58:43 GMT -5
That’s my understanding.... not sure why it wouldn’t stayed the same!
Probably would have had to go through the rule process to change I am guessing.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 9, 2020 19:46:38 GMT -5
Just adding another point to my argument, my father was duck hunting at a DNR property last weekend. Game warden checked license and plug, no shell count was taken, no mention of "How many shells do you have?" Again, an non enforceable rule unless a LEO is going to take the time to strip all your pockets, check your pack, check your boat, check all around your hunt area. Waste of time and money to put it in the books.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 9, 2020 20:00:11 GMT -5
Just adding another point to my argument, my father was duck hunting at a DNR property last weekend. Game warden checked license and plug, no shell count was taken, no mention of "How many shells do you have?" Again, an non enforceable rule unless a LEO is going to take the time to strip all your pockets, check your pack, check your boat, check all around your hunt area. Waste of time and money to put it in the books. Didn’t know duck hunters were restricted to shell possession limits.... I am not a waterfowl hunter also! Knew the gun was limited! |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 9, 2020 20:10:05 GMT -5
Just adding another point to my argument, my father was duck hunting at a DNR property last weekend. Game warden checked license and plug, no shell count was taken, no mention of "How many shells do you have?" Again, an non enforceable rule unless a LEO is going to take the time to strip all your pockets, check your pack, check your boat, check all around your hunt area. Waste of time and money to put it in the books. Didn’t know duck hunters were restricted to shell possession limits. Knew the gun was limited! Yes, on DNR properties they are restricted to 40 shells. |
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Post by 36fan on Dec 10, 2020 11:03:24 GMT -5
How about this:
A hunter has a revolver and a rifle chambered in the same caliber (.357 magnum, .44 magnum, etc.). Revolver holds 6 rounds.
Does that mean they can only have 4 rounds in the rifle?
I asked that question in the Ask the CO forum a year or so ago. The reply was, 'in the strictest interpretation of the rule, yes.'
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Post by jman46151 on Dec 10, 2020 12:31:18 GMT -5
Didn’t know duck hunters were restricted to shell possession limits. Knew the gun was limited! Yes, on DNR properties they are restricted to 40 shells. 25 shells on the FWA I hunt. |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 10, 2020 14:50:33 GMT -5
Yes, on DNR properties they are restricted to 40 shells. 25 shells on the FWA I hunt. You could be right on that. Maybe it was 20 per hunter and between me and a pretner it was 40?? I just remember maki g sure i didn't have 40 shells. I'll have to double check I'm 6th pick on new years day so I better figure it out quick. |
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