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Post by stevein on Dec 2, 2020 13:36:04 GMT -5
I noticed something at the park hunt and down at Roush Lake this year. In the past I heard a LOT of 5 and 6+ shot volleys. They seem to be less and less every year. Could it be the use of bolt guns for Centerfire and fewer semi-autos and pumps? Maybe the 10 bullet limits stops them from cranking off mag dumps. What is your thoughts? Same in your areas?
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Post by firstwd on Dec 2, 2020 14:57:21 GMT -5
I noticed something at the park hunt and down at Roush Lake this year. In the past I heard a LOT of 5 and 6+ shot volleys. They seem to be less and less every year. Could it be the use of bolt guns for Centerfire and fewer semi-autos and pumps? Maybe the 10 bullet limits stops them from cranking off mag dumps. What is your thoughts? Same in your areas? Is that 10 round limit for all rifles or just the HPRs that aren't legal on public land?
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 2, 2020 18:11:26 GMT -5
Probably most guys now have single shot or bolt action public land legal rifles. And the fact they are more accurate than their old shotguns
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Post by treetop on Dec 2, 2020 18:15:04 GMT -5
Can’t speak for park hunts but I know less lead gets thrown around here just a few years back you’d hear 4 5 shots out of a shotgun now it’s normally just one HPR and done
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Post by medic22 on Dec 2, 2020 19:35:58 GMT -5
I noticed something at the park hunt and down at Roush Lake this year. In the past I heard a LOT of 5 and 6+ shot volleys. They seem to be less and less every year. Could it be the use of bolt guns for Centerfire and fewer semi-autos and pumps? Maybe the 10 bullet limits stops them from cranking off mag dumps. What is your thoughts? Same in your areas? Is that 10 round limit for all rifles or just the HPRs that aren't legal on public land? I saw this mentioned elsewhere in the forum referring to PCRs, I thought this was limited to the private land legal calibers as well. I never looked it up because I only carry 2 five round mags anyway.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 2, 2020 19:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by willy7948 on Dec 2, 2020 19:54:51 GMT -5
I noticed something at the park hunt and down at Roush Lake this year. In the past I heard a LOT of 5 and 6+ shot volleys. They seem to be less and less every year. Could it be the use of bolt guns for Centerfire and fewer semi-autos and pumps? Maybe the 10 bullet limits stops them from cranking off mag dumps. What is your thoughts? Same in your areas? Is that 10 round limit for all rifles or just the HPRs that aren't legal on public land? Pretty sure it’s all rifles. I have a few friends that are shooting .300blk on public land, and I’ve honestly wanted one myself for a while. Ballistics seem to be pretty good out to 200 yards with hot loads. I’d be plenty happy if I could shoot deer @200 yards out of a sbr. I could knock out my tight woods/public gun, and the home defense rifle out in one affordable package. I could build a mostly mil spec .300 that would fit what I need for $600, including an optic. I’d also be closer to the ability to go subsonic and silenced , if I decide to fork out the money for a tax stamp before they take that away from us (not here to debate that, I’m just confident at one point it will happen or the cost will be even more out of reach for most people). That would probably be the beginning of my hand loading journey as well.
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Post by medic22 on Dec 2, 2020 20:27:04 GMT -5
Is that 10 round limit for all rifles or just the HPRs that aren't legal on public land? Pretty sure it’s all rifles. I have a few friends that are shooting .300blk on public land, and I’ve honestly wanted one myself for a while. Ballistics seem to be pretty good out to 200 yards with hot loads. I’d be plenty happy if I could shoot deer @200 yards out of a sbr. I could knock out my tight woods/public gun, and the home defense rifle out in one affordable package. I could build a mostly mil spec .300 that would fit what I need for $600, including an optic. I’d also be closer to the ability to go subsonic and silenced , if I decide to fork out the money for a tax stamp before they take that away from us (not here to debate that, I’m just confident at one point it will happen or the cost will be even more out of reach for most people). That would probably be the beginning of my hand loading journey as well. 300 blackout is not legal in rifle form on public land, this includes SBRs. It is legal in pistol form. It meets the case length requirements, but not bullet diameter.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 3, 2020 17:55:44 GMT -5
Ok I don't tend to use more than 5 shells per year between checking my zero and killing deer but how would a 10 bullet limit possibly be inforced? I see this as a waste if time to even discuss in any "rules meeting" and a waste of energy to get into the books.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 3, 2020 18:29:52 GMT -5
Ok I don't tend to use more than 5 shells per year between checking my zero and killing deer but how would a 10 bullet limit possibly be inforced? I see this as a waste if time to even discuss in any "rules meeting" and a waste of energy to get into the books. When your license is checked they ask you how many rounds you have and of course they can always check your gun and you. I have seen lately where they are finding folks with FMJ ammunition which is a no no!
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Post by willy7948 on Dec 3, 2020 19:04:36 GMT -5
Ok I don't tend to use more than 5 shells per year between checking my zero and killing deer but how would a 10 bullet limit possibly be inforced? I see this as a waste if time to even discuss in any "rules meeting" and a waste of energy to get into the books. When your license is checked they ask you how many rounds you have and of course they can always check your gun and you. I have seen lately where they are finding folks with FMJ ammunition which is a no no! Yup. Definitely dangerous with hprs.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 3, 2020 19:17:09 GMT -5
Ok I don't tend to use more than 5 shells per year between checking my zero and killing deer but how would a 10 bullet limit possibly be inforced? I see this as a waste if time to even discuss in any "rules meeting" and a waste of energy to get into the books. When your license is checked they ask you how many rounds you have and of course they can always check your gun and you. I have seen lately where they are finding folks with FMJ ammunition which is a no no! Maybe they cant find any other ammo in stock? Maybe they dont know the difference, or dont care! No excuse any way.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 3, 2020 19:41:31 GMT -5
By way of (limited) vote how many people on this thread have gotten checked by a game warden this deer season? I'll start, not me. My point is it's a very difficult law to enforce.
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Post by medic22 on Dec 3, 2020 19:50:29 GMT -5
I know greghopper posted some links to threads above but the links dont work with tapatalk. The only mention of 10 rounds in the E-regs (which is not law), is very clearly referenced to HPRs on private land.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 3, 2020 19:53:53 GMT -5
By way of (limited) vote how many people on this thread have gotten checked by a game warden this deer season? I'll start, not me. My point is it's a very difficult law to enforce. That’s a matter of opinion..... so your saying because not a large number of people get checked it’s a BS law?
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Post by firstwd on Dec 3, 2020 19:59:04 GMT -5
I know greghopper posted some links to threads above but the links dont work with tapatalk. The only mention of 10 rounds in the E-regs (which is not law), is very clearly referenced to HPRs on private land. Unfortunately, it's not the regulation book that is the gospel. In the actual IAC code (quoted in the links provided) is where the definition of rifle and all laws related to them got wires crossed. Basically, the legislature tried to write laws for the new HRPs and weren't enlightened enough to write the definition clearly separating the HPRs from the previously legal rifles. I believe the 10 round limit was a negotiated compromise to get enough votes on board to pass the HPR law. Again, if we had one rule for everywhere, things wouldn't be so cloudy.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 3, 2020 20:00:02 GMT -5
I know greghopper posted some links to threads above but the links dont work with tapatalk. The only mention of 10 rounds in the E-regs (which is not law), is very clearly referenced to HPRs on private land. Links..
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Post by medic22 on Dec 3, 2020 20:01:16 GMT -5
I know greghopper posted some links to threads above but the links dont work with tapatalk. The only mention of 10 rounds in the E-regs (which is not law), is very clearly referenced to HPRs on private land. Unfortunately, it's not the regulation book that is the gospel. In the actual IAC code (quoted in the links provided) is where the definition of rifle and all laws related to them got wires crossed. Basically, the legislature tried to write laws for the new HRPs and weren't enlightened enough to write the definition clearly separating the HPRs from the previously legal rifles. I believe the 10 round limit was a negotiated compromise to get enough votes on board to pass the HPR law. Again, if we had one rule for everywhere, things wouldn't be so cloudy. Yeah, thats why I posted in the parenthesis, but thank you, I never did look it up cause I don't really see a need for more than 10 (at least for me). I figured it was a screw up when the legislators got involved.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 3, 2020 20:18:54 GMT -5
By way of (limited) vote how many people on this thread have gotten checked by a game warden this deer season? I'll start, not me. My point is it's a very difficult law to enforce. That’s a matter of opinion..... so your saying because not a large number of people get checked it’s a BS law? I understand the law i understand it's purpose but it is a waste of time to create such a law because it's not inforced. There is a 50 shell limit on DNR ground for doves. I have never had more than 50 shells. I have never been checked on this limit even when my license was checked and my gun was checked for a plug by a game warden. These laws are not inforced.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 3, 2020 20:28:47 GMT -5
That’s a matter of opinion..... so your saying because not a large number of people get checked it’s a BS law? I understand the law i understand it's purpose but it is a waste of time to create such a law because it's not inforced. There is a 50 shell limit on DNR ground for doves. I have never had more than 50 shells. I have never been checked on this limit even when my license was checked and my gun was checked for a plug by a game warden. These laws are not inforced. Basically you could say the same about a lot of the game laws in all reality!
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