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Post by jajwrigh on Oct 7, 2007 12:46:49 GMT -5
Another Savage owner here. I use 5744 with 300 gr. XTPs. When did you start using that powder again?
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Post by 64corvair on Oct 11, 2007 10:35:57 GMT -5
I too am a Savage 1OML II owner and have used it for Indiana deer season for the last three years. I have owned Knight's(MK85), T.C. Encore and T.C. Hawken over the years and while all werer excellant and well made, I much prefer the Savage.
I post as CORVAIR on the other sites.
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Post by savagehead on Oct 13, 2007 5:51:05 GMT -5
Around 1 3/4" at 100 yards. I have worked loads that are better in accuracy out of my gun but these components are easy to get and hit like a ton of bricks. I am getting sub MOA out of my sons custom Savage with reg.250 XTPs,but,he shot a doe at 60 yds on the eve of the 2007 youth hunt and it did not exit.Very dead deer,but I personally want them to exit and this one should have at that range.Thats why I asked about the mags.How has the "on game' performance been for you?
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Post by swilk on Oct 13, 2007 13:43:57 GMT -5
Excellent. Crushes whatever is in the way and makes an acceptable size exit hole.
I used to shoot the regular xtp's and almost without fail the core would separate from the jacket and the bullet would not exit the animal.
I think the 10x (and the amount I use) has more to do with the group size than anythig else.
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Post by tony on Oct 13, 2007 20:04:18 GMT -5
This will be my 5th season with my stainless laminate and 4759 with 250 SST. Going to Kentucky next weekend for the early MZ weekend.
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Post by esshup on Oct 24, 2007 20:44:17 GMT -5
I have both the ML-I and ML-II, and use a varity of powder/bullets depending on what I plan on hitting with them. ;D
But, the first load that I had a lot of success with is 4759 with short MMP Sabot and Hornady/Shockwave non-bonded 250 gr. SST.
The 300 and 350 grain Barnes "X" bullet works wonderfully on hogs too.
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Post by gobblerstopper on Oct 25, 2007 9:34:29 GMT -5
I was forced to buy a new muzzleloader two days before Indiana's gun season came in last year. I was going to buy another Knight, but got talked into the Savage on the way to the gun shop.
I hunted with a buddies Knight the first week and a half of season while I tried to get used to the Savage. Sadly, I haven't taken the time yet to play much with the gun, but the load that my cousin sent me shoots well and I am more than happy with the gun.
Just hope to pull the trigger on something alive this season.
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Post by mbogo on Oct 26, 2007 8:19:29 GMT -5
Another Savage owner here. I use 5744 with 300 gr. XTPs. When did you start using that powder again? This will be my second hunting season using it. No complaints so far.
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Post by Gunsafe on Nov 1, 2007 20:50:01 GMT -5
i'm in , ss camo 4 th. year , n 110 43 grs. , hornady 300 gr. xtp, awsome combo........ longest kill was 180 yds. '' it's like a good woman, you'll love it.''
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Post by savagehead on Nov 3, 2007 4:59:20 GMT -5
i'm in , ss camo 4 th. year , n 110 43 grs. , hornady 300 gr. xtp, awsome combo........ longest kill was 180 yds. '' it's like a good woman, you'll love it.'' What kind of accuracy are you getting out of this at a hundred yards?
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Post by indianahick on Nov 5, 2007 14:05:27 GMT -5
I bought a ml11 couple of years ago. So far have not found a load that it likes. Right now I am trying 5744 with loads of 42 and 45 grms. Shooting a Hornaday (.430) 300 XTP, using Hornaday green sabots. They are all over the place no consistency at all. Even at 25 yds. Going to change scopes to see if there is something wrong with the scope. Mounts are tight, changed from aluminum to steel and they feel really solid. Any ideas? With out getting to costly that is.
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Post by swilk on Nov 5, 2007 14:15:22 GMT -5
I would guess scope first of all. If you confirm that is not the problem I would buy some MMP sabots in bulk and try them.
Might try changing the vent liner as well.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 5, 2007 14:27:04 GMT -5
I bought a ml11 couple of years ago. So far have not found a load that it likes. Right now I am trying 5744 with loads of 42 and 45 grms. Shooting a Hornaday (.430) 300 XTP, using Hornaday green sabots. They are all over the place no consistency at all. Even at 25 yds. Going to change scopes to see if there is something wrong with the scope. Mounts are tight, changed from aluminum to steel and they feel really solid. Any ideas? With out getting to costly that is. You are shooting the wrong size bullets. .430 bullets wont shoot as good as .452 diameter. Use the same load with .452 300 XTP and MMP 24 sabots and it will shoot less than 2". Use either winchester, federal 209A or CCI 209M primers. make sure your ventliner is not to big and drill out the carbon in the breech plug. all these tips and hints can be found on here dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=SavagePlease read the tips and hints section at the top of the page. h.h.
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Post by indianahick on Nov 5, 2007 16:49:41 GMT -5
Read the tips and hints. Even looked at the vent liner. That was befor last years firearms season. Ended up using my old Knight which of course worked just like it was supposed to. Vent liner is new to near new since rifle has had less than 25 rounds shot thru it and there is not any carbon build up in it or the breach plug. Remington makes this really good cleaner which will soak the breach clean. So I am positive that a dirty breach is not the problem. To be totally honest this gun has been just one headache after another. I have bought muzzle loaders that all you had to do was load, primer and fire and they worked and worked well. This is one of those pieces of junk that you have to play trial and error with until you stumble onto the right combination to make it work. This is the bullet and sabot that my buddy shoots thru his original Savage, he is getting less than 1 inch groups at 75 yrds. Which is great for the area that we have to hunt. But then again he is using 42 grms of Reloader 7 which may make a difference.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 5, 2007 17:21:17 GMT -5
Read the tips and hints. Even looked at the vent liner. That was befor last years firearms season. Ended up using my old Knight which of course worked just like it was supposed to. Vent liner is new to near new since rifle has had less than 25 rounds shot thru it and there is not any carbon build up in it or the breach plug. Remington makes this really good cleaner which will soak the breach clean. So I am positive that a dirty breach is not the problem. To be totally honest this gun has been just one headache after another. I have bought muzzle loaders that all you had to do was load, primer and fire and they worked and worked well. This is one of those pieces of junk that you have to play trial and error with until you stumble onto the right combination to make it work. This is the bullet and sabot that my buddy shoots thru his original Savage, he is getting less than 1 inch groups at 75 yrds. Which is great for the area that we have to hunt. But then again he is using 42 grms of Reloader 7 which may make a difference. As i said earlier you are shooting the wrong bullet and sabot. Use .452 diameter bullets and sabots and most likey your problem will be solved. If not then its could be a loose scope base mounting issue or make sure the base isnt riding up on the recoil lug. h.h.
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Post by jajwrigh on Nov 5, 2007 21:17:25 GMT -5
Those bullets are way too small! Its like trying to throw a long bomb in football, with a really wobbly spin...
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Post by swilk on Nov 6, 2007 8:33:52 GMT -5
Hey fellas .... he is using .430 bullets and the green sabots that are designed for .430 bullets.
However, I would ditch the Hornady sabots and buy some MMP's.
If you want to try a load that works for me get some 10x powder, .452 Hornady XTP Mags and the black MMP short sabots.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 6, 2007 9:04:21 GMT -5
Hey fellas .... he is using .430 bullets and the green sabots that are designed for .430 bullets. However, I would ditch the Hornady sabots and buy some MMP's. If you want to try a load that works for me get some 10x powder, .452 Hornady XTP Mags and the black MMP short sabots. .430 bullets and sabots are not the recommended component by savage. either .452 250 or 300 grn xtp with a MMP 12 sabot should should 2" groups or less @ 100 yds using either 5744 or 4759. If the gun doesnt then there is something wrong like ventliner, scope bases, carbon breechplug, wrong primers..etc. h.h.
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Post by swilk on Nov 6, 2007 9:33:39 GMT -5
I thought that you were under the impression that he was using a .430 bullet in a sabot designed for a .452 bullet. My comment (hey fellas) was directed at your original comment and the second poster who likened it to a really wobbly pass. My mistake.
I use all sorts of components that are not recommended by Savage.
I have used the green MMP sabots and .430 diameter bullets with success in the past. I have also used several different powders that are not recommended by Savage with success as have many other shooters.
I dont see anything wrong with using a .430 bullet/sabot combination ...... but I would use the MMP sabots instead of the Hornady's.
I would suggest experimenting a little with components other than those that Savage recommends if you really want to find the potential of your gun.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 6, 2007 17:32:59 GMT -5
The only problem with .430 bullets is when they misfire at the wrong time. Ive shot a lot of them but they do misfire every once in a while.
Ive also shot every kind of powder there is in my Savage and learned several years ago book loads work great for deer and are dependable.
If you use the recommended powders, bullets and sabots these guns shoot real accurate and are very dependable. h.h.
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