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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 16:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Nov 11, 2020 17:18:41 GMT -5
Apparently the Governor thinks he does... With the number of cases rising daily, the Governor is trying to slow the spread and protect hospital capacity so people can be treated. Why is that so bad? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 18:14:12 GMT -5
These governors need to look at South Dakota.
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Post by jjas on Nov 11, 2020 18:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 18:45:49 GMT -5
These governors need to look at South Dakota. A lot of politicians will do whatever a weak-willed, weak-minded, pathetic citizenry will allow them to do. Thus, what the governor here is doing. If WE don't MAKE them follow their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, then they will not. |
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Post by jjas on Nov 11, 2020 19:22:55 GMT -5
Why don't you email Governor Holcomb and try to MAKE him "follow their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution".
Then let us know how that works out for you...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 21:25:02 GMT -5
Good idea. Portman in Ohio about 5 years ago used a paragraph that I wrote. He called and we talked for 20 minutes. He asked if he could use it. I was so surprised. Some actually read them. I sure a staffer read it 1st.
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Post by jjas on Nov 12, 2020 12:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Nov 13, 2020 12:18:58 GMT -5
I have never, and likely will never, been willing to trade freedoms for perceived security.
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Post by jjas on Nov 13, 2020 12:51:01 GMT -5
I have never, and likely will never, been willing to trade freedoms for perceived security. In the end, I can live with wearing a mask, or not being able to go to the gym, watch a ball game in person, or eat out if it helps slow the continued spread of covid-19. It's not that big of a deal. The things we've been asked to do are a tiny fraction of what we were asked to sacrifice during WW 2. I also have to wonder if you would change your mind if your wife, child, friend, or co-worker died from covid because we weren't willing to give up a few simple things for a short time to help protect them... |
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Post by swilk on Nov 13, 2020 13:32:58 GMT -5
There is a difference, a huge difference, in a person doing things on their own and a person being forced to do them. I practice common sense, wear a mask, distance and avoid certain things that aren't necessary. That is my choice to do so....
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Post by blackmouthcur on Nov 13, 2020 13:54:25 GMT -5
Well, that’s the rub ain’t it. Most people are not born with common sense or are just plain stupid as we can see with the explosive cases of Covid around the country. A mask is a small inconvenience to keep from spreading the virus imo. I guess that’s why we have amendments because the framers knew they could not foresee everything in the future that may come up.
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Post by swilk on Nov 13, 2020 14:02:01 GMT -5
When I made my first comment I wasn't even talking about masks....I was more in the limiting citizens movements and forcibly closing a private business.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 13, 2020 14:03:15 GMT -5
As a believer in the Lord God Almighty I don't think I'm going to die one day sooner or one day later than He has ordained, no matter what the cause. People are still dying of lots of other causes. We all live and we all die. I have lost 4 good friends, that I dearly loved, this year and none was by Covid.
I'm letting his thread slide for now, but if it denigrates into another whizzing match it will be gone too,
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 13, 2020 15:47:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 15:59:36 GMT -5
THIS is TRUTH ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ George Orwell said: "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 16:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by beermaker on Nov 13, 2020 21:54:59 GMT -5
I asked my 78 yr old mother what she wanted to do for Thanksgiving. She quickly replied that "I haven't seen any of my grandchildren since June and we live 60 miles apart. If I die from the virus or a heart attack the day after Thanksgiving, I'll die happy. I don't want to die of depression and loneliness from not being with my family."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 3:50:45 GMT -5
I asked my 78 yr old mother what she wanted to do for Thanksgiving. She quickly replied that "I haven't seen any of my grandchildren since June and we live 60 miles apart. If I die from the virus or a heart attack the day after Thanksgiving, I'll die happy. I don't want to die of depression and loneliness from not being with my family." She gets it... |
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Post by Russ Koon on Nov 14, 2020 10:33:31 GMT -5
Of course, that's the sentimental reaction we probably all agree on and emotionally accept as truth. And it IS the truth, from her standpoint.
But the truth from ours may honestly differ from hers, with neither of us being liars.
If we add the phrase "..even if it means that some of those children and grandchildren will catch the virus and die or be intubated because of their visit.", it changes to something we can't imagine a beloved and caring grandmother of saying or intending to say, and I am certainly not accusing your mother of saying or meaning any such thing. As a 75yo father living about 40 miles from his only child and and seeing him and our wonderful daughter-in-law rarely except on Zoom this year, I can relate.
We tend to compare our actions to what we would do under the conditions that existed before covid. A more accurate comparison would include the facts as we now know them to exist.
As swilk points out above, we can all make our personal decisions, and make responsible ones, based on the reality of the situation.
I haven't attended a club meeting all year, have only had one family gathering that was limited to eight of us for an outside meal and an inside visit with nobody who was symptomatic or who had knowingly been exposed, and our annual larger family reunion of the other side wasn't even mentioned this year. I'm pretty sure the governor's restrictions played little part in our actions except possibly as an excuse or small justification for our decisions. I doubt that any of us at the small family dinner were even aware of what restriction level might have been legal or officially acceptable at the time. We all knew of them having existed, but most of us hadn't followed them to determine our actions, we just considered what we could do responsibly and acted on that basis.
I do share the disappointment in the actions of those who seem to be so proud of their decisions to act irresponsibly and in total disregard for the safety of others. I can disagree with people who choose the other side of a political argument, and have always enjoyed a good argument on the subject. But when the argument is between whether to support our fellow humans in their battle against a virus, and some of us choose to help the virus, I just can't see their side.
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