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Post by whitetail1 on Aug 11, 2005 19:58:55 GMT -5
I shoot a TC Omega and have always used Pyrodex. I have heard of several people that use the 777, but I don't know anything about it. For those that have used Pyrodex & 777, what is your preference and why?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 11, 2005 20:33:39 GMT -5
I shoot a TC Omega and have always used Pyrodex. I have heard of several people that use the 777, but I don't know anything about it. For those that have used Pyrodex & 777, what is your preference and why? I've got a thumbhole laminated stock Omega and really like it. I have never shot the Pyrodex, but I have the 777. I like the way it shoots and cleans up. I did have some problems on the 3rd or 4th shot getting a sabot all the way down the barrel. It seems that I was getting a crud build up. Most people have put the blame on too hot of a primer. Now Remington has come out with a primer that is supposed to eliminate that problem. I bought some the other day at Walmart and will give them a try. |
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Post by weedhopper on Aug 11, 2005 21:34:51 GMT -5
Woody,,some are saying the new Remington primers are no different than the old ones. Just a marketing ploy. I'll be interested in what your opinion is. Otherwise, swabbing between shots is kinda standard procedure with T7 and the Omega in helping to avoid the dreaded "crud ring". Whitetail1,,,,I think you'll find T7 alot more consistant, easier to clean, and less corrosive than Pyrodex. It's also hotter than Pyrodex, so adjust your loads down about 15%. Try it. I think you'll switch powders...  |
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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 12, 2005 0:18:05 GMT -5
I have used both and currently shoot the 777 loose powder. It cleans better, smells better, and has more "boom" than the pyrodex. I still have a ton of pyrodex pellets but I will save them for when I run out of the powder supply I have now. I seem to shoot more accurately as well. It is a great product!
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2005 7:16:07 GMT -5
weedhopper. You may be right.. It wouldn't be the first time I got took by a "marketing ploy". The package that they came in had a picture that provided "proof" that they work.. We will see. I don't mind swabbing on the range, but IF I have to get off a second shot in a hunting situation I don't want to fight to get a sabot down the barrel. Maybe I need to switch to a White,  ? |
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Post by jstalljon on Aug 12, 2005 7:51:06 GMT -5
Sorry for my ignorance guys...but I'm going to expand this thread. I just bought an Omega and the end of last season, and have yet to fire the thing (my first muzzleloader).
What do you prefer? Powder or pellets?
What sabots do you prefer?
When dialing this thing in....how many times can you laod and shoot accurately before having to clean the barrel.
Any other helpful tips or hints would be appreciated. I would rather bow hunt, but I'm excited to take the smoke pole out this year! Camo stock and stainless barrel...sure is a purty thing! ;D
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Post by weedhopper on Aug 12, 2005 16:20:01 GMT -5
When I had my Omega,,it shot 100gr. of 3F Triple Se7en under a 250gr. Hornady SST very accurately. I swabbed after every shot, just to keep things consistant. Woody: If you're using the Hornady SSTs,,try the T/C Shockwaves. They're the same bullet, but load somewhat easier than the Hornadys. Also for a quick second shot,,check out the Powerbelts. Mine liked the 348gr.ers. And yes,,,you'd like the White... ;D |
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2005 19:23:09 GMT -5
When I had my Omega,,it shot 100gr. of 3F Triple Se7en under a 250gr. Hornady SST very accurately. I swabbed after every shot, just to keep things consistant. Woody: If you're using the Hornady SSTs,,try the T/C Shockwaves. They're the same bullet, but load somewhat easier than the Hornadys. Also for a quick second shot,,check out the Powerbelts. Mine liked the 348gr.ers. And yes,,,you'd like the White... ;D For loading is it the difference in the sabot itself? |
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Post by weedhopper on Aug 12, 2005 19:36:12 GMT -5
Yes it's a thinner petaled sabot.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2005 19:55:00 GMT -5
Yes it's a thinner petaled sabot. Thanks ... I'll look into that.. |
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Post by firehawk on Aug 14, 2005 12:54:04 GMT -5
Sorry for my ignorance guys...but I'm going to expand this thread. I just bought an Omega and the end of last season, and have yet to fire the thing (my first muzzleloader). What do you prefer? Powder or pellets? What sabots do you prefer? When dialing this thing in....how many times can you laod and shoot accurately before having to clean the barrel. Any other helpful tips or hints would be appreciated. I would rather bow hunt, but I'm excited to take the smoke pole out this year! Camo stock and stainless barrel...sure is a purty thing! ;D Here's my experience. If you decide to use T/C's, or other brand of speed loaders, pellets will gain you nothing. I'm talking about the T/C speed loaders that you can also start the bullet with. As a matter of fact, pellets are harder to get in the bore than pouring loose powder. That's been my experience. My .50 cal Firehawk liked the 300 gr. XTP sabots with 85 grains of Pyrodex Select. I now use the Triple 7 powder. It is a much hotter powder than Pyrodex, but I stuck with 85 grains, and also am shooting the Powerbelt Aerotip 295 grain bullet now. My experience with the 777 powder is maybe 8-10 shots before accuracy began top suffer. Honestly, anything more than 90-100 grains of powder is a waste. It cannot burn completely, and unburnt powder is blown out of the muzzle. If you don't believe me, shoot the "macho" 150 grain loads over snow, and you will see the unburnt powder on the ground. There is no point in trying to make a muzzleloader into a high powered rifle, it's still a muzzleloader. Another thing, don't fall for the ridiculous claims about long range. There are VERY FEW muzzleloader hunters that can hit CONSISTENTLY at longer ranges. Most buy their "blisterpack" muzzleloader, shove some powder, and bullet down the bore, and think they are muzzleloader hunters. It takes practice, and experimenting with different powders, and bullets combinations to get it right. Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now.  Enjoy your muzzleloader. |
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Post by psychobubba on Aug 22, 2005 7:07:42 GMT -5
777. is much cleaner hotter burn. i use 150 grains of powder 245 cva 50 cal 200 yards love it ,out out t.c. encore
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Post by weedhopper on Aug 22, 2005 19:04:21 GMT -5
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Post by gundude on Aug 22, 2005 20:08:26 GMT -5
?? ditto |
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Post by psychobubba on Aug 25, 2005 8:41:32 GMT -5
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Post by weedhopper on Aug 25, 2005 21:12:08 GMT -5
Hey Woody,,I did some checking around, and the Remingtons are repackaged 209-4 Remington .410 primers, lower in strength, so that should help out with your crud ring problem somewhat. The Winchesters are just repackaged for "appeal". (Marketing strategy) |
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 25, 2005 21:21:36 GMT -5
Hey Woody,,I did some checking around, and the Remingtons are repackaged 209-4 Remington .410 primers, lower in strength, so that should help out with your crud ring problem somewhat. The Winchesters are just repackaged for "appeal". (Marketing strategy) Thanks weedhopper....I appreciate the information.. I never did trust those folks at Winchester.. |
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 25, 2005 23:21:00 GMT -5
I saw the new Remington Black Powder Primers at Walmart....$5.97 for 100.... too expensive for me. h.h.
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Enjoy your muzzleloader.
