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Post by genesis273 on Nov 14, 2019 20:48:13 GMT -5
So far this year the neighbor has shot 2 bucks and a doe. No recovery on any of them.
I've had my bad luck. As have some of you. It's a very unfortunate thing. And to those of us who truly do care, it breaks your heart. No matter what size buck or doe. And we pursue them until we've exhausted all means. I wish it upon no hunter. And definitely don't wish it upon the game we pursue.
I'm sure the neighbors intentions are good. But I wonder if maybe archery isn't the best sport for them. To put things in a little more perspective, over the last 3 years neighbor has shot 7 bucks and one doe. Only one of those deer had been recovered.
I try like heck to encourage the neighbor to stay positive and keep their chin up. But, after the news this evening, I have a hard time NOT telling them to call it a season and burn their tags.
Am I wrong? Are my now sour feelings just asking for bad juju to come my way? Truly this isn't some sort of deep seeded jealousy that's trying to rear it's ugly head? I mean I share pics and the locations where they're crossing our property lines. I make sure and not crowd them or when I'm hunting. I'll ask them if they're out of their stands each time before I go check trail cams. I really am not jealous I don't think.
How do I deal with this without being overly rude by not offering encouraging words?
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Post by ukwil on Nov 14, 2019 20:58:50 GMT -5
I've got a cousin like that. This year him and his daughter have shot 5 that they didnt recover. He never learns we all just avoid him.
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Post by harmonist34 on Nov 14, 2019 21:10:47 GMT -5
I think you have a frank talk with them. That’s cruel and wasteful. Mistakes can happen, but if they’re that consistently bad, they need to practice and/or get some training on shot selection.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 14, 2019 21:12:12 GMT -5
Just stay in your lane and hunt.... if he ask for advice then give it.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Nov 14, 2019 21:13:27 GMT -5
To me that’s asinine and no reason for it. Sure most have had bad hits and not recovered a deer, but that many times in a short period seems like they are just flinging Hail Marys at any deer they can get somewhat close to. Maybe that’s a little too harsh, but it’s the way I feel about it right now. I think you have every right to be upset.
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Post by apibowhunter on Nov 14, 2019 21:22:12 GMT -5
It sucks no doubt but my advice is worry about the things you can change and not what you can't.
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Post by esshup on Nov 14, 2019 22:32:50 GMT -5
That's why I truly believe that to get a hunting license for any weapon you should have to pass a practical proficiency test for that weapon. There used to be an European country that made people shoot at a running target of a moose I believe, and if their score wasn't high enough they didn't get a license. This was for gun hunting. OR, Indiana should change the law like in Alaska. www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.woundedIf you don't read the whole article, read the last sentence. I believe there are some states that a wounded animal has to be added to your bag limit for that animal, whether recovered or not. That would make a person be very picky about the shots they take, or make them very picky as to what comes out of their mouths and fingers........ |
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Post by huntnandplumbn on Nov 15, 2019 5:45:31 GMT -5
If they bring it up suggest going to a crossbow to get their confidence back up.
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Post by duff on Nov 15, 2019 6:06:52 GMT -5
I would not get mad about it. It isnt worth it.
Really depends on your relationship with the guy. If the guy views you as a mentor then RIP into him. If he just views you as a neighbor or a casual acquaintance do what you think is best but realize it likely will not change his habits.
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Post by parrothead on Nov 15, 2019 6:20:38 GMT -5
API gave great advice and words to live by.
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Post by genesis273 on Nov 15, 2019 8:54:13 GMT -5
Two of the 3 deer were shot with crossbows this year. Both times the neighbor says they couldn't see the impact because it shoots too fast so they were not certain on shot placement. I've suggested lighted nocks the past two years but the neighbor hadn't used them yet.
I think part of my frustration this year us that I had spotted a nice buck bedded on a wood edge during early bow season. I have left that buck alone and have not hunted that area with the intention of leaving it alone until firearm season. He's been a regular on my camera covering the CRP strip going to and from that wood lot. And last night and today they'll be walking all through there looking for her. And I truly hope they find her. But, I'm nervous about them pushing him away after that much human traffic in the woods.
I have never heard through the grapevine about the neighbor shooting and not recovering, the neighbor has came to me about the event each time. Otherwise, I would not inject my opinion and I would "stay in my lane". However, since the neighbor calls and text me about it, I feel they have opened the door for my opinion and advice.
End of the day, the neighbor has to deal with their own conscious after such bad misfortunes. I have offered my advice when they call. It's up to them wether or not they take it. I'm by no means an expert so I can't expect them to listen me.
I will, without hesitation, continue to let them track deer on my property. But, I will most likely inform them of my frustrations next time the neighbor reaches out about yet another wounded deer. However, I truly hope that day doesn't come. At least not this year.
Until then, I'll heed to the wise words of API.
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Post by featherduster on Nov 15, 2019 9:03:45 GMT -5
I would tell him he has tracked his last deer across your property until he can learn to make a clean kill shot on his own property.
If I remember correctly last year we had a member on here who shot and lost several deer, maybe he can add to this and tell us what he has done to correct this type of bad hunting.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 15, 2019 9:15:53 GMT -5
I would tell him he has tracked his last deer across your property until he can learn to make a clean kill shot on his own property. If I remember correctly last year we had a member on here who shot and lost several deer, maybe he can add to this and tell us what he has done to correct this type of bad hunting. Exactly......,that’s a problem you can control other then that stay focused on Your hunting! |
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Post by 10point on Nov 15, 2019 9:24:22 GMT -5
Telling him he can't track might back fire if you need to track on his property.
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Post by featherduster on Nov 15, 2019 9:39:56 GMT -5
Telling him he can't track might back fire if you need to track on his property. True, but it opens the door for a discussion. |
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Post by esshup on Nov 15, 2019 9:44:12 GMT -5
Telling him he can't track might back fire if you need to track on his property. Simple answer to that. Tell him if he wounds 2 and doesn't recover either then there is no tracking across The OP's property until the OP is done deer hunting there. I deer hunt behind my place. I also have a shooting lane cut into the woods with a shooting bench, and target butts with dirt backstops at 100, 200, 300 and 360 yds. Every year I have neighbors that want to sight in their guns a week or less before deer season. This year the beginning of October I sent out a text saying the range is closed starting Nov. 1. Still was approached by a neighbor last week about using the range and I said no. He was find with that, saying that he should have gotten over here earlier. Point being that if the OP's neighbor knows in advance of the rules, he should be OK with them and take steps to ensure that the deer are recovered. |
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Post by treetop on Nov 15, 2019 9:54:04 GMT -5
I’ve got the same issue every year at least I did will see what happens this year
The guy that strarted hunting at my neighbors place just has to hunt right on the property line and every year he wounds a deer or two that allways ends up on my property than he wants to track it but never seems to find it. The first few times he called I said go ahead wasn’t happy as three or four guys show up and track all over my area after like you have made an effort to stay out of . What gets me he has a 15 20 acre woods that he could hunt on the other side of the farm.
Last year it happen again and I straight up told him maybe you should hunt the woods instead of the line that way the deer have to run a ways before it hits my place and maybe you should learn how to shoot it before you hunt with it and if another deer comes on my property I’ll track it when I get time if I find it I’ll give it to you when I find it
So far it’s worked
It really grinds on me how many times I hear that I hit a deer but could not find it we looked for at least hour
It happens I’ve had it happen myself and probably will again someday but we should make every effort to limit the odds
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Post by jman46151 on Nov 15, 2019 10:08:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't go out of my way to talk to him but next time he brings it up, just mention a few things he could do better. Lighted nocks, a 3d deer target, a website that talks about shot placement and distance, just a few topics. Find out some specifics about his shots to figure out what is going on. Is he shooting too far? Is it just buck fever? He may think he can get away with farther shots and worse angles since he is using a crossbow. Just a couple weekends ago I chastised my wife's uncle for not practicing with his crossbow before season.
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Post by featherduster on Nov 15, 2019 10:23:35 GMT -5
You could tell your neighbor that between his place and yours there are X-amount of deer and he has crippled or mortally wounded and lost 3 of those deer and so far nobody has put meat in the freezer.
YOU: because you have not had a GOOD ethical kill shot deer and HIM: because he has been a bad hunter.
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Post by 36fan on Nov 15, 2019 13:15:27 GMT -5
Have you considered shooting with him in the off-season? Maybe you could identify some of his issues and teach him how to make good shots. Is he having target panic? Rushing the shot? bad form? doesn't know where to aim? is he choosing to take poor shots? does he not know the range of the deer in the field? or can he just not hit the broadside of a barn?
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