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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 12, 2019 13:01:37 GMT -5
A friend of mine invited me to go on a DIY elk hunt in Colorado next fall. We will be using traditional archery equipment. Does anyone have any experience with elk hunting? This will be a new experience for me and I could use all the advice and help I can get. For starters I plan on losing a lot of weight and getting in better shape. I've already lost 15 lbs this year. I'd like to lose another 55 by then.
What about a gear list? Camo, packs, tents, etc. I have no clue what to take.
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Post by treetop on Jan 12, 2019 13:36:42 GMT -5
Buy the best boots you can afford is one thing for sure Some depends on were your hunting and what time of the year
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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 12, 2019 13:59:53 GMT -5
We plan on going in early September I think. I have several pair of Keen hiking boots. They are the most comfortable boots I have had so far. I have a new pair that I can take.
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Post by hooterhunter on Jan 12, 2019 14:07:45 GMT -5
Agree on boots Great thinking on weight loss If you can. Go out this summer to scout a good camping hunting spot Buy the best Binocs or spotting scope you can afford Buy two walking sticks Think layers vs all the camo in the world 2 weeks before the trip join a gym. Use the stair stepper machine and burn your legs out till they feel like jelly. I am no tech guy but I hear onyx is awesome to id lines and property ownership If you can.... drive out with a deep freezer and a generator. This could save your meat if warm. Get there 2-3 days early to walk around and burn out your legs. You will need 3 days to get use to the altitude.
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Post by esshup on Jan 12, 2019 15:12:31 GMT -5
Scrub buster, couple of questions before I start in. Where will you be staying, and at what altitude will you be staying and hunting at? Has your friend hunted that area or out in Colorado for Elk before?
Onyx for your phone is what I recommend, and IIRC they have a guarantee that they will foot the legal bill if you are on private property because their map was wrong and you get in trouble.
You cannot be in too good of shape. Think of going on a hike here with your mouth and nose duct taped shut with only 2 drinking straws to breathe through if you are at 10,000' elevation or more.
If you take an ATV, you have to buy an off road pass to drive it on any trails, and get a map showing what trails you can and cannot take it on. If you are taking an ATV that has a carb vs. fuel injection, and will be at 9500 feet or higher, you will need to get it re-tuned (i.e. re-jetted) for high altitude running. Mine has a carb and it was fine up to about 10,000 feet, then it was sputtering and really running rich. It had a hard time climbing up a hill in anything higher than 1st gear at that altitude.
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Post by treetop on Jan 12, 2019 15:19:43 GMT -5
If your camping at a trail head that you can drive to and just doing day hunts than weight is not as important. We used a outfitters tent and had cots to sleep on, but about any good tent will work if your not packing it in either way dry warm sleep comfort is important at the least get a pad for you bed if your packing in
As said a freezer is nice for meat and the return trip but takes space and a source of power. I made a plywood box with foam in it filled the bottom with frozen water jugs plus the food I wanted froze put another foam on top and packed gear in it to save space Once there pull a jug out and you have water. If you fill your tags most places out west carry dry ice for the trip home just pack your elk with ice and put foam back over. You can hang in game bags for days if it gets colder at night and you keep it in the shade.
I took a shooting tripod to walk with bit more weight but I only had bincolars so when I sat down to glass I put them on it you’d be surprised just how wore out your arms get glassing for hours
If your packing in than a good backpack would be a good purchase if not a good comfortable day pack will work fine all I used
In it should be at least some first aid you don’t need a ton of stuff you can get some premade for a small cost Rope knife light whistle gps or compass back up drugs if you need water maps are a must for your day pack Put your tags map in a ziplock bag to keep dry
I vacuum packed my socks and underwear in a few packs to make sure they stayed dry
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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 12, 2019 15:24:45 GMT -5
My friend has hunted unit 74 before and knows that area pretty well. We are also looking at unit 42. I think the elevation on unit 74 where we will be at is 11,000'. We do not plan on taking an atv. I will look into the Onyx app. He has a GPS unit he will be bringing. Thanks for the info.
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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 12, 2019 15:38:44 GMT -5
Thanks Treetop. We will be using a base camp but are preparing for a night or two on the mountain if we need to. I have a nice dome tent, cot, and cold weather sleeping bag for base camp. I need to get a small overnight tent and a bed roll. I definitely want to get a good back pack and water bladder system.
I live in the hills along the river. I plan on hiking up the hills with a loaded pack this spring and summer. I want to be in the best shape possible by September.
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Post by treetop on Jan 12, 2019 15:39:14 GMT -5
You may know how but I didn’t so I took my bow to the pro shop they helped me a ton on set up for elk a long shot here could be a short shot were you’ll be
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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 12, 2019 15:46:32 GMT -5
I'll be using a recurve or a longbow. My shots will probably be limited to 30 yards. I know our chances of filling a tag will be low. I'm just excited about the experience. I plan on making a knife just for the trip. I'm finishing up a new forge now so that will be a good project for the first time using it. I would like to make a new bow for the trip but I don't think I'll have time. I'll stick with a FG bow and maybe take a back up.
As far as predators, I think there are cougars and black bear there. I plan on packing my .44 mag. revolver but that thing is heavy with the 8" barrel.
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Post by treetop on Jan 12, 2019 15:48:46 GMT -5
I wished I had lived some were hills were it’s flat here in Adams county but I did the same over filled my pack and walked
Don’t get overwhelmed by gear it’s nice if you can swing it but being in the best shape you can and a good attitude goes a long way in overcoming of lack of gear.
I’ve camped in the bush up north most of my life when fishing with just a tent foam pad and a good sleeping bag as long as you can stay dry and half way warm the rest works out
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Post by treetop on Jan 12, 2019 15:54:03 GMT -5
I'll be using a recurve or a longbow. My shots will probably be limited to 30 yards. I know our chances of filling a tag will be low. I'm just excited about the experience. I plan on making a knife just for the trip. I'm finishing up a new forge now so that will be a good project for the first time using it. I would like to make a new bow for the trip but I don't think I'll have time. I'll stick with a FG bow and maybe take a back up. As far as predators, I think there are cougars and black bear there. I plan on packing my .44 mag. revolver but that thing is heavy with the 8" barrel. That will make it a tad bit harder but filling tags is just the iceing I had a compound bow
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Post by swilk on Jan 12, 2019 16:02:42 GMT -5
11,000 feet is high. Really high.
Put a plastic bag over your head and seal it around your neck with duct tape....cut a 1cm slot in the bag directly in front of your nose and then go run 5 miles.
That's what walking up a mountain at 11,000 feet will feel like.
Other than that ... Best sleeping bag you can afford. Good boots with the right soles. Air mattress. Quality rain gear. Good optics. Chapstick.
Hydrate. Hydrate. Hydrate.
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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 12, 2019 16:16:59 GMT -5
I'm going for the adventure and experience. If we happen to get an elk that will just be a bonus. I've never been farther west than Dallas, Texas. I'm excited to see some new terrain.
Thanks Swilk. I have a cot and a really good sleeping bag. I wasn't planning on taking an air mattress.
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Post by schall53 on Jan 12, 2019 17:13:13 GMT -5
Also keep in mind that when you do put one down the work really starts, I had about 400# of boned out meat. You might want to check if there are any ranchers around to hire to pack out your elk.
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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 12, 2019 17:26:42 GMT -5
Also keep in mind that when you do put one down the work really starts, I had about 400# of boned out meat. You might want to check if there are any ranchers around to hire to pack out your elk. That's a good idea. I hadn't thought of that.
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Post by esshup on Jan 12, 2019 18:42:24 GMT -5
O.K., here's my experience. My cousins have hunted South of Eagle, Co., for the past 22 years. They drive to an area with the trucks, set up a large wall tent w/wood stove and take the ATV's about 50 minutes to the hunting area, which is about 7 miles away. The tent was at 9,700 feet, we drove up to about 10,700 ft, them back down to about 9,800 ft. From where we parked the ATV's it was about a 1/2 to 3/4 mile walk to the cliff edge that I set up on to look into the bowl. I got there on Thurs morning, we started hunting Sat a.m. and packed it up the following Saturday. I have also hunted with one cousin in the Greys River area of Western Wy. We camped at Moose Flats Campground, IIRC around 6,500' elevation, drove the ATV's to about 7,500', them backpacked up to about 8,500' - 8,800' before daylight every morning to be up in the hunting area before it got light out. Bring a good sleeping bag, cot and mattress or sleeping pad to sleep on. Getting up off the ground helps a lot, and you wouldn't believe how fast the temp drops once the sun goes down. When we hunted in Wyoming in Sept a number of years ago, it was 90°F during the day and we had temps in the 20's at night. Plan on drinking AT LEAST a gallon of water to 1 1/4 gallons of water per day. If you don't, your legs will cramp up at night and you won't be able to sleep. In Wy., we had a Mr. Buddy propane heater for the tent. After a few hours the low O2 sensor would kick in and it'd shut off. We had the bottom of the zipper open about 1/4 to 1/3 the way up... That was only at 6,500' elevation. I bought an Eberlestock J1 backpack with a 3 liter bladder. I'd take 2 extra 20 oz bottles of water and leave them in the ATV, and I'd have the bladder and both bottles emptied by the time we got back to camp. Bring very good lightweight rain gear. Tops and bottoms. Pack it with you even if the sky is clear. When I was in Co. in August to scout the weatherman got it 100% wrong. It rained every day and we ended up driving back down the mountain to spend the night in a hotel. Thunder, lightening and wind every night and every day too. When camping this October, the bears were still out (black bears only in Colorado) but they didn't bother the camp. My cousins said they never have seen any traces of bears at the camping area, but we did see LARGE bear tracks where we hunted, and a local that walked up from the bottom said he watched a Mt. Lion covering up a deer it killed the previous night. I believed him, we never saw a deer that day or the next when the previous day we saw 20+ deer. Bring tick spray. Get the boots broken in. Get the backpack early and wear it on your hikes to get it fitted/adjusted to your body. Double check the regs to see if it's legal to carry a handgun. Talk to the local conservation officer/biologist either in person or by phone and ask them about the elk population that year. I did and he was correct, very few elk now where my cousins have hunted. Some new homes in the area disrupting the historical Elk migration, and a golf course down the Mt. is holding the elk on private property. No need for a genset and freezer. Large coolers filled with ice and kept in the shade work fine. Put the meat in game bags, and put ON TOP of the ice, leaving the drain plug open to drain out any water. Like was said earlier, once the elk is down the work begins. My cousins ended up buying a motorized elk tugger. www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200452220_200452220That and 100-150 ft of rope has helped them a LOT, but it's not something you need to get unless you will be going back year after year like they do. Packing out an elk is a LOT of work, my cousin said without it it would take 3 or 4 of them a good half day to get it out once the animal was cut up in pieces. If it was shot in the evening, they went back in the next day on pins and needles, making sure a bear or Mt. Lion didn't claim it. Double check, but I think that you need to carry your hunter education card with you when hunting unless you stop at a Parks & Wildlife office and get it verified. Do that and you never have to carry it with you. I did and I'm glad I did. You need to have it with you to buy an over the counter license, then once you have it verified once you can buy an OTC license without having it on your person. Bring 2 headlamps and plenty of extra batteries. It'd dang dark out at night. LOL Don't forget the typical canp stuff, toilet paper, something to cook food in and to eat it on, plus utensils. Good binoculars, tripod, a good spotting scope if you can swing it and a rangefinder. The air is a LOT clearer there and what you think is 30 yds will be 50-70 yds. We were watching deer with the spotting scope that were 2500 - 3000 yds away, my rangefinder will read out to 1,999 yds and they were way further than that. I have a very good spotting scope (20x-60x by 80mm objective) and I could see (clearly) individual trees against the snow on a mountain in the distance. My cousin and the local that walked up both said that mountain was between 40 and 50 miles away. Get there 2 days early at a minimum. It will take you that long to get partially used to the altitude. I had a headache and felt crappy on day 4, so I stayed in camp that morning. By the morning of the 9th day I could walk with the binoculars, spotting scope and tripod, range finder, 3 L of water, backpack, 12# rifle, extra gloves, ass pad and lunch in the backpack and talk while walking without having to stop to catch my breath. Forget about boiling water at that altitude, it takes too long.
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Post by beermaker on Jan 12, 2019 19:39:21 GMT -5
Also keep in mind that when you do put one down the work really starts, I had about 400# of boned out meat. You might want to check if there are any ranchers around to hire to pack out your elk. I know a group of hunters that used to go almost every year. They found a guy that would rent a pack mule to them. He'd drop it off when the got there and pick it up when they were packing up to go home.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 12, 2019 21:29:43 GMT -5
You got a lot of good advice here.
I'll just say to do your best to prepare, but don't over think or stress over it.
Bring some comfort items like extra padding/blankets for your cot, a heat source for the tent, some way to shower.
I precook and freeze a lot of food at home, I eat pretty good on my trips. Mountain House are OK, but only for so long.
Be prepared for the altitude, but don't sweat it. I've personally never felt much effect even up to around 12k, but I know it hits everyone differently.
I make sure and have plenty of food, water, a water treatment system, a first aid kit, headlamp, GPS/compass/map, and a kill kit in my pack. You want to avoid an extra hike to/from camp before you start breaking down and packing your critter.
There are a lot of logistics that go into making a hunt like this happen, but the planning and scheming are all part of the fun.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 12, 2019 21:32:23 GMT -5
As far as bears/lions, I wouldn't worry about them. Just keep your camp clean to avoid any nuisances.
I did see where Colorado reduced the price on bear tags to $100, might be worth having one just in case (assuming season is open while you're there).
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