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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 3, 2019 8:56:22 GMT -5
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 3, 2019 10:30:42 GMT -5
Yep, seen it on here many times.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 3, 2019 11:35:52 GMT -5
Don't think that would be enough to drive someone off by itself; if so they are pretty weak. Now if other things like access to hunting land etc already had them on the edge that may be different.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 3, 2019 11:47:41 GMT -5
Sounds like normal behavior to me. I've been an avid reader of many popular magazines and books on the outdoors and particularly bowhunting for sixty years. Can't recall a time when there was perfect harmony among outdoors enthusiasts.
The magnum-loads in longer shells were all greeted with derisive hoots from the traditionalists who said "skybusters" were just lazy hunters who wouldn't spend the time and ammo to learn to shoot, or who didn't have the patience to wait for an ethical shot.
Those of us who switched to compounds from the recurves we had started with, or began using sights on our bows, or later began using "artificial fingers"to release despite still having the ones we came with, all faced the same sort of arguments.
And it wasn't just about technological issues. We always had the elitists casting dry flies only on their restricted waters, and berating the worm-drowners with their dime-store Zebco's and plastic bobbers.
And I remember the war of words almost coming to shots fired at times in the county where I grew up between the fox-chasers who went out to follow their dogs around and listen to their music and the fox-hunters who killed the foxes when they had the chance, and sometimes even trapped them.
I expect if we had access to more cave walls we'd eventually find one with paintings deriding the users of those unethical new atl-atl's which were going to cause the population of mastodons to be wiped out.
Would we all be better off if we were united in the defense of our favorite activities? Sure.
And if the seven nations of the NE had teamed up with the Cherokee and the Seminole and recruited some help from the Shawnee and the Cree, those alien immigrants that hit our eastern shores could have been repelled, too. But unity has always been scarce until necessity has made it long overdue.
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Post by jbird on Jan 3, 2019 12:09:15 GMT -5
I see it from time to time on the various forums I participate on. However from what I have seen those "stirring the pot" tend to be a minority. Some folks simply don't have anything better to do than run down others...and that's pretty sad. Some folks also tend to ask for it. I have seen that before as well. A poster asks for help and then argues the various opinions that conflict with theirs. Fact is...it's easy to be a butt-head on the internet. Why some folks insist on taking advantage of that I am not sure. Maybe they are lacking something within themselves and that activity makes them feel better some how. I think social media has done far more for outdoors minded folks than it has harmed. The ability to share information is tremendous. Your going to have a jerk around once in a while but often times you can simply "block" them and go on about your life. You also have to consider the social media channel you are using. Something like FB may put you in front of lots of people...but that isn't always a good thing either.
I think the decline in hunters is simply because of a changing world. Hunting isn't a requirement for most any more. Hunting also went hollywood and that has had a huge impact on the cost and values of hunting as well. Access to land and other more recent practices like leasing and canned hunts and the like have all had their impact. Hunters fighting among themselves is a very small portion of this in my opinion. If you hunt to make other people happy or for the notoriety...your doing it for the wrong reason anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 13:46:32 GMT -5
Sounds like normal behavior to me. I've been an avid reader of many popular magazines and books on the outdoors and particularly bowhunting for sixty years. Can't recall a time when there was perfect harmony among outdoors enthusiasts. The magnum-loads in longer shells were all greeted with derisive hoots from the traditionalists who said "skybusters" were just lazy hunters who wouldn't spend the time and ammo to learn to shoot, or who didn't have the patience to wait for an ethical shot. Those of us who switched to compounds from the recurves we had started with, or began using sights on our bows, or later began using "artificial fingers"to release despite still having the ones we came with, all faced the same sort of arguments. And it wasn't just about technological issues. We always had the elitists casting dry flies only on their restricted waters, and berating the worm-drowners with their dime-store Zebco's and plastic bobbers. And I remember the war of words almost coming to shots fired at times in the county where I grew up between the fox-chasers who went out to follow their dogs around and listen to their music and the fox-hunters who killed the foxes when they had the chance, and sometimes even trapped them. I expect if we had access to more cave walls we'd eventually find one with paintings deriding the users of those unethical new atl-atl's which were going to cause the population of mastodons to be wiped out. Would we all be better off if we were united in the defense of our favorite activities? Sure. And if the seven nations of the NE had teamed up with the Cherokee and the Seminole and recruited some help from the Shawnee and the Cree, those alien immigrants that hit our eastern shores could have been repelled, too. But unity has always been scarce until necessity has made it long overdue. Right on and it seems to me the waters are a little quieter today than the pasts. If you listen for noise you will hear noise and if you listen for peace with hear peace. |
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Post by jjas on Jan 3, 2019 15:28:58 GMT -5
I do think the anonymity of the internet has allowed some of the crap to ramp up farther than it ever would have face to face.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 3, 2019 17:12:22 GMT -5
jjas, I agree , but I think it's also the easy and immediate opportunity to reply or argue. In the "good old days" we might have seen someone's opinion that stirred us to reply, but that would have meant finding an address for the author, composing something on paper, and then sending an envelope by snail mail. Now we can argue instantly, as well as anonymously if we so choose.
The plus side is that everyone can express their views. The minus side is that we are all exposed to them as long as we stay online. I think it's a net win, even if we get sorta ticked with some opinions. I like our odds for getting to some real solutions if more of us share our views and hear the other guys' side as well, without it becoming a shouting contest or a fistfight.
Lots of guys seem to be pretty sure that nobody's opinions really are changed by internet arguments and I'd agree that most of the guys who type their opinions out on certain matters will still have the same views when the thread goes away or gets locked, but I think there are opinions swayed among some readers who may have been on the fence.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 3, 2019 17:22:30 GMT -5
I do think the anonymity of the internet has allowed some of the crap to ramp up farther than it ever would have face to face. LOL... How very true... I've had my share (and half of someone else's share  ) of debate, disagreements and downright arguing on several forums over the years. One particular poster told me that one day he and I would meet and "I could not hide behind a keyboard anymore." He said he would "get in my face". Well as luck would have it we both ended up at the same NRC Advisory Committee Meeting. Now I'm 5'9" and 180 soaking wet. This guy looked to 6'2" and maybe 230. OK.... Long story short he knew I was there as I spoke my case in front. He never even made eye contact.. I've been to several other meetings and the same scenario repeats itself.... |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 3, 2019 17:29:05 GMT -5
True Russ...
Very seldom are the "debaters" minds changed, but the followers of the thread who haven't made up their minds are the ones that matter. I stated just that on Bowsite Indiana forum during a crossbow debate that I was sure that I could not change their minds but it was the "lurkers" that I was appealing to. Not too long after that I was banned from there.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 3, 2019 17:41:29 GMT -5
As Russ stated so well, elitist dummies have always found some piece of equipment or ideology to hitch their wagons to. These days it's as likely to be nit-picking the animal taken as it is equipment snobbery. From "should have given him another year" to "what a bad shot." (Two of my favorites is when the ill-informed trolls attack bowhunters for not having orange when it isn't required or taking a doe when it's perfectly legal)
However, the difference is that today, these cyber-chickens (undoubtedly the same people that knocked the books out of the nerd's hands in school) can tap away and criticize from a distance, sometimes with complete anonymity.
What really bothers me is when they attack kids or suggest a hunter is unethical for the size of the legal animal they took. I suppose the best policy is just to ignore them. Like the kid pulling the girl's pigtails in Kindergarten, it's attention they thrive on.
Confront them and they usually crawl under a rock or suggest that YOU are out of line for deflating their arguments.
Probably the dumbest comment I saw was on a video where a dude passed a small buck to shoot a bigger one later. he made no big deal out of it, it was merely his choice, as it should be. Then a guy commented, "Thank you for having the INTEGRITY to pass the smaller deer." Integrity. Some of these antler notions have become religion.
I have also seen plenty of jealous people pick on a guy for choosing to wait on a bigger critter, or insinuate that it was poached because it is a big animal. Just as bad.
"To each his own, if it be legal," I say.
It's gotten so bad that 3/4 of the buck picks posted anywhere bear the sad disclaimer "He's not the biggest deer, but..." Ridiculous.
Yes, it's hard to see how all the negativity wouldn't discourage potential/younger hunters. It certainly doesn't help us when it comes to resisting the antis. It's a shame people can't discipline themselves.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 3, 2019 19:16:59 GMT -5
I believe the negative interactions on sites like this and others could easily drive away someone new to hunting.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 3, 2019 19:24:38 GMT -5
I believe the negative interactions on sites like this and others could easily drive away someone new to hunting. Yep...epically if your a weak person or give up easy! |
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Post by treetop on Jan 3, 2019 19:28:41 GMT -5
I said this before but you have to live or hunt were there are big deer elk lopes or what ever your hunting I know my biggest deer that I have taken were I live and hunt is smaller than what some guys on here pass every time they hunt and I’m dang proud of it for my area it’s a dang nice deer.
You could take a 8 point deer in a good area that would be bigger than a 12 point in another area of the US. And here is were I see the problem. Especially on a site that’s national or even international you can’t compare a deer that’s got good genetics and corn and bean feed to a deer that only gets pine cones and branch’s to eat and fights just to live another day.
Each and every deer elk lope duck is a thropy or meets the hunters needs maybe it’s just meat I for one fit that catagory and fill blessed even with a smaller deer, trust me nobody is going to care or remember 50 years from now how many big deer you killed hunt for what makes you happy and say congrats to your fellow hunter they may of busted there butt just to take that game
We need to stand together and fight for what we love or it will also be forgotten 50 years from now
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 3, 2019 19:59:53 GMT -5
I believe the negative interactions on sites like this and others could easily drive away someone new to hunting. Absolutely! That's why I always loved the positive interactions, the encouraging posts and REASONED, POLITE debates. The arguments are unpleasant, and I believe a lot of quality people don't want to engage in negativity. I mean, I don't sit around holding crystals amid clouds of incense or anything, but I like a peaceful environment. when I see arguments and negative comments, even here, I just want to stay away. If I was new to hunting and came here, and instead of reading about what people learned or seeing pics of their adventures I saw arguing and foolishness, I might draw the wrong conclusions about outdoorsmen. Fortunately we keep it to a minimum around here. |
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Post by js2397 on Jan 3, 2019 20:21:46 GMT -5
I believe the negative interactions on sites like this and others could easily drive away someone new to hunting. Absolutely! That's why I always loved the positive interactions, the encouraging posts and REASONED, POLITE debates. The arguments are unpleasant, and I believe a lot of quality people don't want to engage in negativity. I mean, I don't sit around holding crystals amid clouds of incense or anything, but I like a peaceful environment. when I see arguments and negative comments, even here, I just want to stay away. If I was new to hunting and came here, and instead of reading about what people learned or seeing pics of their adventures I saw arguing and foolishness, I might draw the wrong conclusions about outdoorsmen. Fortunately we keep it to a minimum around here. I completely agree, although it takes a lot less negativity to drive people away than it does positivity to attract them. |
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Post by duff on Jan 4, 2019 5:51:07 GMT -5
You all are wrong and I am right....just get over it already!
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Post by treetop on Jan 4, 2019 8:14:09 GMT -5
You all are wrong and I am right....just get over it already! I still think your wrong but I’ll get over it someday |
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Post by HighCotton on Jan 4, 2019 15:54:21 GMT -5
I do think the anonymity of the internet has allowed some of the crap to ramp up farther than it ever would have face to face. LOL... How very true... I've had my share (and half of someone else's share ) of debate, disagreements and downright arguing on several forums over the years. One particular poster told me that one day he and I would meet and "I could not hide behind a keyboard anymore." He said he would "get in my face". Well as luck would have it we both ended up at the same NRC Advisory Committee Meeting. Now I'm 5'9" and 180 soaking wet. This guy looked to 6'2" and maybe 230. OK.... Long story short he knew I was there as I spoke my case in front. He never even made eye contact.. I've been to several other meetings and the same scenario repeats itself.... Wow Woody! That’s pretty flattering that you think I’m like...only 230 lbs!!!  |
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) of debate, disagreements and downright arguing on several forums over the years. One particular poster told me that one day he and I would meet and "I could not hide behind a keyboard anymore." He said he would "get in my face". Well as luck would have it we both ended up at the same NRC Advisory Committee Meeting. Now I'm 5'9" and 180 soaking wet. This guy looked to 6'2" and maybe 230. OK.... Long story short he knew I was there as I spoke my case in front. He never even made eye contact.. I've been to several other meetings and the same scenario repeats itself....
