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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 22, 2018 11:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Dec 22, 2018 11:48:26 GMT -5
In the words of late great Johnny Cash.... "I see the the train a coming ".....
I seen where some experts FB biologist in Indiana are saying we should "just let nature run its course".... Lmao Smh There not a state one that's ever took that approach.... Thank God!
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 22, 2018 12:30:20 GMT -5
I am concerned about CWD, however I do not think it's as big a deal as some make it out to be.
Look at that map in the article. Prevalence is high in Colorado, and it's been there for at least 50 years. Colorado has probably the best quality mule deer hunting in the country, and certainly the highest elk population. Hunting culture and tradition is going strong there.
As far as Bacon's claim that no responsible deer hunter would eat untested meat, that's ridiculous. I ate several pounds of my mule deer before I received my test results, and I would have eaten the rest even if positive. Just think how many millions of deer, elk, and moose have been eaten in CWD zones in the west over the last 50 years, and not one single human has ever contracted CWD. How many have been poisoned in just the last month alone from contaminated romaine lettuce? How many have died from salmonella from mass farmed eggs this year? Saying it's irresponsible to eat an untested deer is utter ludicrous.
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Post by butlerj on Dec 22, 2018 12:40:02 GMT -5
depressing.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 22, 2018 12:47:20 GMT -5
No way I ever eat untested meat from a known CWD area.... to each their own I guess not Happening at my household though!
Can't believe someone would eat it if they knew it was positive...WoW!
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Dec 22, 2018 12:59:41 GMT -5
I will just stop deer hunting and eating deer. It’s just that simple. I hunt for meat not just antlers. If I can’t eat what I kill, then what’s the point of hunting?
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 22, 2018 13:00:11 GMT -5
Many, many animals with CWD have been eaten. Not one single person has ever contracted CWD. It hasn't been found in mountain lions, bears, wolves, etc. Most experts believe that it is not transmittable to humans.
So what if prevalence becomes high? Will you stop hunting deer? Will you still shoot them with no intention of eating them? How do you rationalize not eating a deer, when no one has gotten sick from CWD, but still eat all commercially produced foods that people do get sick and die from all the time?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 22, 2018 13:04:27 GMT -5
"Most" is the key word!
So what concerns you if you not worried about eating CWD... do tell.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 22, 2018 13:05:23 GMT -5
Many, many animals with CWD have been eaten. Not one single person has ever contracted CWD. It hasn't been found in mountain lions, bears, wolves, etc. Most experts believe that it is not transmittable to humans. So what if prevalence becomes high? Will you stop hunting deer? Will you still shoot them with no intention of eating them? How do you rationalize not eating a deer, when no one has gotten sick from CWD, but still eat all commercially produced foods that people do get sick and die from all the time? Yep. And it's a disease that usually isn't noticed or even the animal show symptom's until later in its life cycle. I've spoke with several people that believe it is already in Indiana and has been for sometime.?? Always something isn't it.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 22, 2018 13:15:02 GMT -5
"Most" is the key word! So what concerns you if you not worried about eating CWD... do tell. FTR, I don't fault anyone for choosing to not eat untested meat. It all comes down to your own risk tolerance I suppose. Personally I try not to worry about what it is that'll do me in. Everybody's got to go some way. I am lot more concerned about car accidents, cancer, etc. though than I am about dying from CWD. Oh, and most of the areas on that map do not have mandatory testing programs. There are thousands of people harvesting and eating animals every year that don't get tested. I read that the area I got my elk this year has an estimated 30-40% infection rate, no mandatory testing, and the elk herd is over the population objective.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 22, 2018 13:22:49 GMT -5
You said you was concerned about CWD.... what about it concerns you?
You missed my question...
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 22, 2018 13:32:16 GMT -5
You said you was concerned about CWD.... what about it concerns you? You missed my question... It kills deer, no doubt. The herd is likely to be reduced to extremely low numbers to try and limit it's spread. It will probably lead to reduced opportunity and possibly reduced hunter recruitment. Bad for the future of the sport for sure. It doesn't pass through then go away like EHD. Once it's on the landscape it is there forever more than likely. And it's always possible for it to make that jump to humans, however unlikely that may be. One single case of a hunter with CWD would be catastrophic to deer and elk hunting.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Dec 22, 2018 13:41:55 GMT -5
From the CDC website:
A negative test result does not guarantee that an individual animal is not infected with CWD, but it does make it considerably less likely and may reduce your risk of exposure to CWD.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 22, 2018 13:44:39 GMT -5
So once found in Indiana what should be done?
Nothing and let nature run its coarse or maybe have a more logical approach like other states and combat it?
Indiana has a plan like many other states.... but it always interesting to hear the Hunter thoughts.
What do we do?
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 30, 2018 13:07:44 GMT -5
I am concerned about CWD, however I do not think it's as big a deal as some make it out to be. Look at that map in the article. Prevalence is high in Colorado, and it's been there for at least 50 years. Colorado has probably the best quality mule deer hunting in the country, and certainly the highest elk population. Hunting culture and tradition is going strong there. As far as Bacon's claim that no responsible deer hunter would eat untested meat, that's ridiculous. I ate several pounds of my mule deer before I received my test results, and I would have eaten the rest even if positive. Just think how many millions of deer, elk, and moose have been eaten in CWD zones in the west over the last 50 years, and not one single human has ever contracted CWD. How many have been poisoned in just the last month alone from contaminated romaine lettuce? How many have died from salmonella from mass farmed eggs this year? Saying it's irresponsible to eat an untested deer is utter ludicrous. I disagree, I for one wouldn’t eat any deer meat that has CWD. I mean think about what you’re saying here, you are willfully and knowingly going to eat and feed you’re family diseased meat. That to me is ludicrous. As far as saying no human has ever contracted CWD from a deer, that may be true, for now, but humans never got aids before either, until we did. Diseases and viruses are constantly mutating to try and make the jump to other species. Mad Cow disease now has a human strain called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease that you get from eating diseased meat, humans never got that before until we did. Can’t kill the prions in the meat, it takes upward of 1800 degrees for that and by then you’re hamburger will be a little tough. Anyway , to each his own i guess but for me that’s end game, I’ll take up fishing again.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 30, 2018 15:59:20 GMT -5
Salmonella from commercially produced foods in the U.S. - 450 deaths annually www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.htmlE. coli, mainly from contaminated foods - roughly 60 deaths annually www.cdc.gov/ecoli/qa_ecoli_sickness.htmSeasonal flu in the U.S. - 12,000 - 56,000 deaths annually www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htmAutomobile accidents in U.S. - over 40,000 deaths annually en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_yearKnown instances of CWD transmission to humans (or any other predator), ever - ZERO. I don't think I would feed a CWD positive animal to my family intentionally. But we have eaten probably 10 untested animals from known CWD areas over the last few years, along with the other hundreds of thousands of hunters who hunt in CWD zones. And I would eat a CWD positive deer or elk myself if all other indications pointed towards the animal being in good health. Call me foolish if you like. The fact is though, you take an exponentially greater risk of life and limb by nearly any other activity than by eating untested game animals from CWD areas. I intend to keep hunting and eating wild game as long as I'm physically capable. Something's gonna get me eventually, pretty sure it won't be CWD though.
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 30, 2018 17:12:32 GMT -5
True, you’re probably right, I’m just saying there’s a first for everything. I’m sure Jakob Creutzfeldt felt the same way.
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Post by schall53 on Dec 31, 2018 9:09:06 GMT -5
Salmonella from commercially produced foods in the U.S. - 450 deaths annually www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.htmlE. coli, mainly from contaminated foods - roughly 60 deaths annually www.cdc.gov/ecoli/qa_ecoli_sickness.htmSeasonal flu in the U.S. - 12,000 - 56,000 deaths annually www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htmAutomobile accidents in U.S. - over 40,000 deaths annually en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_yearKnown instances of CWD transmission to humans (or any other predator), ever - ZERO. I don't think I would feed a CWD positive animal to my family intentionally. But we have eaten probably 10 untested animals from known CWD areas over the last few years, along with the other hundreds of thousands of hunters who hunt in CWD zones. And I would eat a CWD positive deer or elk myself if all other indications pointed towards the animal being in good health. Call me foolish if you like. The fact is though, you take an exponentially greater risk of life and limb by nearly any other activity than by eating untested game animals from CWD areas. I intend to keep hunting and eating wild game as long as I'm physically capable. Something's gonna get me eventually, pretty sure it won't be CWD though. I'm with you, been eating deer from a CWD area since they first started talking about it and never had one tested. So far so good, I'm still above ground.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 31, 2018 9:34:11 GMT -5
When you guys say "CWD area" is this a state with past confirmed CWD cases or is this a Core CWD Surveillance Area where there is active confirmed cases?
I assuming the "CWD area" is in or a Western state.
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Post by jman46151 on Dec 31, 2018 9:42:47 GMT -5
True, you’re probably right, I’m just saying there’s a first for everything. I’m sure Jakob Creutzfeldt felt the same way. Not trying to be a butt, but "The disease was first described by German neurologist Hans Gerhard Creutzfeldt in 1920 and shortly afterward by Alfons Maria Jakob, giving it the name Creutzfeldt–Jakob." - per wikipedia
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