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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 10:24:36 GMT -5
lol
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jan 4, 2019 10:54:29 GMT -5
So spot on muzzeloader: Where and How Did CWD Originate? The origin of CWD is unknown, and it may never be possible to definitively determine how or when CWD arose. So it's always been there or it was created sometime before 1967. Either way the impact is very little to none. CWD is nothing but anti hunter created fear factor. I really don’t know Waynes. Just reading info and putting out there. Not trying to be a butt about anything. It seems it’s coming this way and I would like to know what the latest information entails. It’s at our heals from three directions and it’s only a matter of time. I wouldn’t feed the meat to my family without it being tested after reading info. But that’s my opinion. As far as anti hunter fear factor. Why would the DNR and CDC make this stuff up?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 11:13:08 GMT -5
So spot on muzzeloader: Where and How Did CWD Originate? The origin of CWD is unknown, and it may never be possible to definitively determine how or when CWD arose. So it's always been there or it was created sometime before 1967. Either way the impact is very little to none. CWD is nothing but anti hunter created fear factor. I really don’t know Waynes. Just reading info and putting out there. Not trying to be a butt about anything. It seems it’s coming this way and I would like to know what the latest information entails. It’s at our heals from three directions and it’s only a matter of time. I wouldn’t feed the meat to my family without it being tested after reading info. But that’s my opinion. As far as anti hunter fear factor. Why would the DNR and CDC make this stuff up? Me either butt anybody. It's been in Colorado over 50 years and the deer herds numbers seem to be good. Have not heard of one death from eating the Colorado's deer. I would not be surprised one bit if this is a man made disease created back in the 40's. A lot of chemical testing out west back then.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 12:25:24 GMT -5
I agree with timeline and origin but I'm pretty sure that state DNR had injected the mule deer and elk to study and at some point some of animals escaped thus spreading the disease. (That was what I read sometime ago.) SO I'M NOT BELIEVING IT JUST SHOWED UP ......
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Post by jman46151 on Jan 4, 2019 13:14:30 GMT -5
I agree with timeline and origin but I'm pretty sure that state DNR had injected the mule deer and elk to study and at some point some of animals escaped thus spreading the disease. (That was what I read sometime ago.) SO I'M NOT BELIEVING IT JUST SHOWED UP ...... The disease is closely related to scrapie...a disease in sheep. I believe that in the late 1960's sheep and mule deer were kept in the same pen at a research facility in CO. So there's some thought that the disease jumped from the sheep to the deer. It's not too far-fetched considering mad cow disease jumped from cows to humans causing Creutzfeldt-Jakob.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 13:28:40 GMT -5
I agree with timeline and origin but I'm pretty sure that state DNR had injected the mule deer and elk to study and at some point some of animals escaped thus spreading the disease. (That was what I read sometime ago.) SO I'M NOT BELIEVING IT JUST SHOWED UP ...... The disease is closely related to scrapie...a disease in sheep. I believe that in the late 1960's sheep and mule deer were kept in the same pen at a research facility in CO. So there's some thought that the disease jumped from the sheep to the deer. It's not too far-fetched considering mad cow disease jumped from cows to humans causing Creutzfeldt-Jakob. Again i'm pretty sure I read a article a year or so ago that said the DNR injected the mule deer and elk with scrapies to study effect's and some of those animals got out lose and into the wild herd.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 14:25:09 GMT -5
And why am I to believe that it is not already here in Indiana??? I've spoke with some that have said it's here and has been for some time. If that is the case than some of us already have consumed infected meat... Has IDNR been doing random testing in every county? Not that I know of. It's been found in Michigan, Illinois and Tennesee that is known.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 14:43:14 GMT -5
And why am I to believe that it is not already here in Indiana??? I've spoke with some that have said it's here and has been for some time. If that is the case than some of us already have consumed infected meat... Has IDNR been doing random testing in every county? Not that I know of. It's been found in Michigan, Illinois and Tennesee that is known. The better question is why should anyone believe it's here already with no data to back up the claim! Don't be SCAMMED into the train of thought lol . Do the research it's been and most likely still being tested within the state! I seen a spread sheet today on that very subject. I will try to refind it later tonight.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 15:25:37 GMT -5
And why am I to believe that it is not already here in Indiana??? I've spoke with some that have said it's here and has been for some time. If that is the case than some of us already have consumed infected meat... Has IDNR been doing random testing in every county? Not that I know of. It's been found in Michigan, Illinois and Tennesee that is known. The better question is why should anyone believe it's here already with no data to back up the claim! Don't be SCAMMED into the train of thought lol . Do the research it's been and most likely still being tested within the state! I seen a spread sheet today on that very subject. I will try to refind it later tonight. For one it has been all around us for some time. Two scrapes in sheep herd has been in Indiana for years.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 16:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 16:33:39 GMT -5
I agree he has educational background in wildlife disease and I have some faith in our DNR. I dont buy into all the hype in regards to CWD as Colorado, Wyoming and some other states show that deer herds are resilient and can survive the disease. Ive read so many articles by biologist, state agency's, scientists, deer managers and there is a wide range of opinions on its effects and dangers if any. Quite a confusing topic.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Jan 4, 2019 17:03:31 GMT -5
I think I’ll just continue to hunt like I do now, consume all the meat I process, and not worry about this at all.
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Post by schall53 on Jan 4, 2019 17:22:56 GMT -5
I think I’ll just continue to hunt like I do now, consume all the meat I process, and not worry about this at all. Same here, if I shoot a deer that doesn't look healthy I won't eat it, but I wouldn't have before the CWD scare.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 18:07:23 GMT -5
Problem with CWD unless in late stages there arnt really noticeable signs in meat. It attacks brain and basically eats holes in it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2019 18:09:03 GMT -5
And why am I to believe that it is not already here in Indiana??? I've spoke with some that have said it's here and has been for some tify it.ime. If that is the case than some of us already have consumed infected meat... Has IDNR been doing random testing in every county? Not that I know of. It's been found in Michigan, Illinois and Tennesee that is known. Who is "some"? CWD has to be lab tested to verify..
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 18:45:56 GMT -5
Couple local farmers and a few hunters on hunting sites. Yes, it has to be tested so there currently very well could be??? My understanding that some limited testing is being done along northern Indiana and Illinois line.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 19:00:54 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2019 19:09:28 GMT -5
Couple local farmers and a few hunters on hunting sites. Yes, it has to be tested so there currently very well could be??? My understanding that some limited testing is being done along northern Indiana and Illinois line. Page 45 - 46 of www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-DeerSummaryReport_2017.pdf states …... Its not CWD unless the DNR says it is... A dead deer found is just that dead deer that could have died from a multitude of reasons. I've seen deer hunters on hunting sites confuse EHD and CWD... I can guarantee you if Joe found osme CWD anywhere it would be broadcasted and the DNR's CWD plans would go in effect poste haste..
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Post by throbak on Jan 4, 2019 19:32:15 GMT -5
In the Mid 2000,s Big Oaks AKA Jefferson Proving Grounds Tested Quite a few Deer for CWD I was working there then they were taking the heads !!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 5, 2019 6:44:12 GMT -5
This is a great civil discussion!
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