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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 17, 2018 15:01:38 GMT -5
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 17, 2018 16:02:21 GMT -5
I sent a message in favor of the proposal, along with an admonishment that providing details on how this would be accomplished would help sell the proposal. The pages "detailing" the plan were lacking to say the least, which would make anyone suspicious.
I think a lot of people would come around if they knew the plan didn't involve taking every tree bigger than a pencil and killing all the non-timber species. If I went on what I've seen in the past on private land, for example, I would have never sent a note in favor of the proposal.
More details, Forest Service!
Anyway, message sent.
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Post by jbird on Dec 17, 2018 16:31:50 GMT -5
I'll be honest - I didn't read the entire thing. But details as to the how and why are important to communicate to EVERYONE why this needs done. I fear many of our national and state areas suffer a similar situation but the "tree huggers" fail to understand the need for succession... I agree we need some old growth areas, but it can't all be that way. Monies form the timber sale should also go toward other wildlife and habitat projects for THAT area. Not to the general fund, not to a different property, but to that property. Use this as an opportunity to teach and model proper management so that other properties can follow suit on a rotational basis and we can have healthy hardwood forests and all the critters that come with it. I don't think they need to focus on the deer needs. They need to focus on the general needs of the wildlife in that area. The deer will benefit as they are very adaptable...other species like grouse, quail and others are in serious trouble because of habitat loss. I will certainly send an e-mail with these sentiments...
I sent my e-mail...I hope things progress and the harvest provides valuable habitat in both the short and long term and some of those less informed about protecting wild places can see this as a learning experience...
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 17, 2018 18:22:22 GMT -5
I'll be honest - I didn't read the entire thing. But details as to the how and why are important to communicate to EVERYONE why this needs done. I fear many of our national and state areas suffer a similar situation but the "tree huggers" fail to understand the need for succession... I agree we need some old growth areas, but it can't all be that way. Monies form the timber sale should also go toward other wildlife and habitat projects for THAT area. Not to the general fund, not to a different property, but to that property. Use this as an opportunity to teach and model proper management so that other properties can follow suit on a rotational basis and we can have healthy hardwood forests and all the critters that come with it. I don't think they need to focus on the deer needs. They need to focus on the general needs of the wildlife in that area. The deer will benefit as they are very adaptable...other species like grouse, quail and others are in serious trouble because of habitat loss. I will certainly send an e-mail with these sentiments... I sent my e-mail...I hope things progress and the harvest provides valuable habitat in both the short and long term and some of those less informed about protecting wild places can see this as a learning experience... Man, it would be nice to have some grouse again. Heard them all the time when I was a kid. I haven't heard one in Indiana in years. |
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 17, 2018 19:24:09 GMT -5
I'll be honest - I didn't read the entire thing. But details as to the how and why are important to communicate to EVERYONE why this needs done. I fear many of our national and state areas suffer a similar situation but the "tree huggers" fail to understand the need for succession... I agree we need some old growth areas, but it can't all be that way. Monies form the timber sale should also go toward other wildlife and habitat projects for THAT area. Not to the general fund, not to a different property, but to that property. Use this as an opportunity to teach and model proper management so that other properties can follow suit on a rotational basis and we can have healthy hardwood forests and all the critters that come with it. I don't think they need to focus on the deer needs. They need to focus on the general needs of the wildlife in that area. The deer will benefit as they are very adaptable...other species like grouse, quail and others are in serious trouble because of habitat loss. I will certainly send an e-mail with these sentiments... I sent my e-mail...I hope things progress and the harvest provides valuable habitat in both the short and long term and some of those less informed about protecting wild places can see this as a learning experience... I think if they did a better job of pitching the fact that we need a mix of habitat, as you said, and touting the benefits gained from sensible harvest, it would go a long way in selling such ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 22:20:18 GMT -5
I'll be honest - I didn't read the entire thing. But details as to the how and why are important to communicate to EVERYONE why this needs done. I fear many of our national and state areas suffer a similar situation but the "tree huggers" fail to understand the need for succession... I agree we need some old growth areas, but it can't all be that way. Monies form the timber sale should also go toward other wildlife and habitat projects for THAT area. Not to the general fund, not to a different property, but to that property. Use this as an opportunity to teach and model proper management so that other properties can follow suit on a rotational basis and we can have healthy hardwood forests and all the critters that come with it. I don't think they need to focus on the deer needs. They need to focus on the general needs of the wildlife in that area. The deer will benefit as they are very adaptable...other species like grouse, quail and others are in serious trouble because of habitat loss. I will certainly send an e-mail with these sentiments... I sent my e-mail...I hope things progress and the harvest provides valuable habitat in both the short and long term and some of those less informed about protecting wild places can see this as a learning experience... Man, it would be nice to have some grouse again. Heard them all the time when I was a kid. I haven't heard one in Indiana in years. It would be nice, but I think they're long gone. |
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Post by span870 on Dec 18, 2018 6:34:39 GMT -5
Man, it would be nice to have some grouse again. Heard them all the time when I was a kid. I haven't heard one in Indiana in years. It would be nice, but I think they're long gone. Between lack of logging, West Nile virus, and nest robbing predators, I'd have to agree that the odds of them ever making a comeback are slim to none. Even states that do regular logging are struggling with keeping numbers up. |
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Post by jbird on Dec 18, 2018 9:59:06 GMT -5
I will admit that it took me a while to understand that cutting trees can be good for a habitat. In my younger years "protecting wildlife" meant protecting trees... Turns out there is SOME truth in that, but it's not 100% accurate. Once you see a bigger picture and realize that different critters need different habitat types...and that it's not good to focus on just one critter, then things seem to change. I support "saving the environment"...I'm just not strapping myself to a tree to do it. I am a firm believer that a chainsaw is one of the best habitat tools a person can own...if used properly and responsibly.
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Post by moose1am on Dec 18, 2018 12:23:00 GMT -5
HNF is a unique area in the state of IN. Look at the rest of IN and try to find any area with an old growth forest that has not be cut down and plowed up for farmland or for a subdivision with houses on it.
I say leave the HNF alone and manage the rest of the state for wildlife. The type of wildlife that uses an old growth forest is different from those that use farmland. We need a variety of different habitats for all of IN.
If they can provide details that's a really bad sign. I would not agree to anything unless I knew exactly what I was agreeing to. Enough said.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 18, 2018 14:54:22 GMT -5
HNF is a unique area in the state of IN. Look at the rest of IN and try to find any area with an old growth forest that has not be cut down and plowed up for farmland or for a subdivision with houses on it. I say leave the HNF alone and manage the rest of the state for wildlife. The type of wildlife that uses an old growth forest is different from those that use farmland. We need a variety of different habitats for all of IN. If they can provide details that's a really bad sign. I would not agree to anything unless I knew exactly what I was agreeing to. Enough said. It's perfectly fine to feel that way, you have just as much right as anybody to comment however you wish. I share the same sentiments about some areas, like the Deam Wilderness, which will never again be logged. These areas are not old-growth though, nearly all of it has been homesteaded, timbered, and/or farmed at one point or another, and has since been reabsorbed by the forest. Here's the mission statement of the USFS: " To sustain the health, diversity, and productivity of the Nation's forests and grasslands to meet the needs of present and future generations." Active management is necessary for "health, diversity, and productivity." We have wilderness areas, state parks, and national parks that will never again be commercially logged. I feel like active management of our state and national forests brings a good balance of conservation vs. preservation. |
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Post by duff on Dec 18, 2018 20:42:43 GMT -5
Cut away! The HNF is not all trees and in no way a need to be preserved for mature trees. Diversity is important. Let timber company pay for the rights and use those funds to buy new land or minimize the tax burden to run that organization.
Trees, especially in Indiana are a wonderful renewable resource. The state and federally owned lands are sitting on quite a stash of wealth. With responsible harvest and land management it is win win to harvest trees. Not talking bulldozer clear cuts like you see in pine pulp wood tracks.
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Post by duff on Dec 18, 2018 20:43:15 GMT -5
Unless it meets the management strategy!
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 18, 2018 20:57:28 GMT -5
Cut away! The HNF is not all trees and in no way a need to be preserved for mature trees. Diversity is important. Let timber company pay for the rights and use those funds to buy new land or minimize the tax burden to run that organization. Trees, especially in Indiana are a wonderful renewable resource. The state and federally owned lands are sitting on quite a stash of wealth. With responsible harvest and land management it is win win to harvest trees. Not talking bulldozer clear cuts like you see in pine pulp wood tracks. Tree drop! |
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