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Post by jjas on Oct 4, 2018 18:14:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2018 18:41:02 GMT -5
I've seen this happen a few past years ago. There was a larger early ones than typical. Next time down my brothers place I will check the log book. We started the log book back in 1978.
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Post by butlerj on Oct 4, 2018 20:31:23 GMT -5
How early Wayne?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 7:40:22 GMT -5
Around the 23rd if I remember. The week before Halloween. My brother took a 170 size buck. He watched it breed her about 100 yards across the creek and then they moved over to his spot and 15 yard shot.
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Post by steiny on Oct 5, 2018 12:43:15 GMT -5
Outdoor writers need something to write about. The "two rut" thing is mostly a mythical thing used to sell magazine articles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 14:21:26 GMT -5
Interesting piece, although not a ton of detail there. An awful lot of hunters believe the rut is etched in stone, and that it occurs the exact same time each season. They site the timing of the birthing of fawns for optimal survival as their rationale. Thing is, optimum timing of fawn birthing for survival isn't a one or two day window, it`s a much wider window, and there`s additionally no real consensus on what all is involved with setting off the rut. Wildlife biologists are relatively certain that photoperiod, or decreasing daylight each season is partially what sets off rutting activity, but it`s well documented that the phases of the rut; seeking, chasing, and full blown breeding activity, happen at different times, often as much as several weeks, depending on the year. Charles Alsheimer offered a theory that the rut is triggered by photoperiod in conjunction with the timing of the second full moon after the autumnal equinox. I`m far from a professional hunter, but in hunting white-tail deer for just more than 35 years, I`ve seen seeking and chasing activity happen anywhere from as early as the third week of October and as late as opening weekend of firearms season in Indiana. I buy 100% into Alzheimer's theory for the timing of the rut.
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Post by INhuntin on Oct 5, 2018 16:17:46 GMT -5
I have seen two ruts quite a few times, sometimes we have three it we have a warm winter.
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Post by jman46151 on Oct 8, 2018 9:20:20 GMT -5
Outdoor writers need something to write about. The "two rut" thing is mostly a mythical thing used to sell magazine articles. Visible activity may make it appear like two ruts due to the timing of the full moon in October/November.
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Post by urbanguy on Oct 8, 2018 9:48:19 GMT -5
I've seen this happen a few past years ago. There was a larger early ones than typical. Next time down my brothers place I will check the log book. We started the log book back in 1978. The doe we got this wknd stunk pretty bad and the glands were darker almost black in the location where a bucks glands would be. Is that smell an indicator of the current rut? I was caught off guard with the potency of the scent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 9:55:30 GMT -5
I've seen this happen a few past years ago. There was a larger early ones than typical. Next time down my brothers place I will check the log book. We started the log book back in 1978. The doe we got this wknd stunk pretty bad and the glands were darker almost black in the location where a bucks glands would be. Is that smell an indicator of the current rut? I was caught off guard with the potency of the scent. With full on on 24th and November late on the 23rd will screw up the rut. Rut to start early and end late with lots of dead times in the middle. It will be important to find the hot doe that per each day. In in other words, be lucky.
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Post by solocam79 on Oct 8, 2018 16:49:30 GMT -5
It will be best last week of October thru 1st two weeks of November like every other year. If its warm it will take place at night.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 8, 2018 17:10:50 GMT -5
It will be best last week of October thru 1st two weeks of November like every other year. If its warm it will take place at night. Bingo..... everyone is in tilted to their opinion but there only ONE set of facts..... The record books show the facts and dates and it's all within a handful of days in November for the peak rut!
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 8, 2018 18:57:08 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Oct 8, 2018 19:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 5:19:24 GMT -5
You are exactly right...when you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2018 6:23:44 GMT -5
You are exactly right...when you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Got anything Factual to debunk it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 7:47:24 GMT -5
Per the chart the rut is 30-40 days long and start/ends close to the same every year. I know every year where I hunt there is two ruts. One family of does that are in rut the last week of October and the remaining ones right around thanksgiving week. The 3-4 weeks in between are slower so it appears to be two 2 ruts both lasting about 4 hot days each. Note: It happens every year so no relation to moon. I think it more related to the DNA of the local deer herd. I agree to both:
One rut season that runs from late October to early December, mid point around the 27th. There are multiple hot ruts within each rut season
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Post by 1shotwade on Oct 9, 2018 11:28:27 GMT -5
Y'all have lots of info and back up your beliefs. That being said, I have deer hunter since 1978in Indiana and Ohio and previously 5 years in another state. I found the largest scrape I have ever seen (4'x6') on Aug 15th while squirrel hunting the opening day. When I saw it I didn't believe it to be a real scrape. I thought it was a mock scrape but there were doe tracks in it and a nice pile of dropping. While studying it a doe got up 10 yards from the scrape. She was bedded off the scrape, meaning she was in heat. On the other end of that, one year I saw a fawn with spots on Dec 24th.
Here is what I have heard and believe. The healthy, more mature does are receptive early, and regularly. This many time happens prior to what we call the rut. During what we call the rut, most other adult does come in heat. Post rut, which I have seen a few times, the less healthy does will come in heat. To top all of this, young does born this year will go in heat when they reach 60 to 70 pounds and they are staggered throughout the rest of winter. There are documented cases of breading taken place as late as Feb and March. I would suppose this would account for seen a spotted fawn at Christmas! I don't claim to know anything about it but this is what I have observed and believe.
As far as the amount of daylight affecting the rut, I think it might but, after the nuclear accident in Russia, the Laplanders were not allowed to sell their reindeer. That is the major income for that area. Scientists moved a herd of reindeer to Antartica to preserve them. For three years the deer continued to calf at the time they always had. All died because they were now being born in the winter. After the third year, they all changed their breeding/ calving to go along with their new habitat. Wade Wade
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 16:15:32 GMT -5
You are exactly right...when you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Got anything Factual to debunk it? LOL. I have the very same thing you have, but from a different source, and it points to a conclusion different than yours. I agree with the assessment that Charles Alsheimer has made, you don`t. I believe that sums it up completely. My "factual evidence" is what I`ve observed while deer hunting for something like 25 plus years, alongside the hypothesis presented by Alsheimer. You have a qdma claim, certainly nothing factual. We`ll agree to disagree.
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Post by treetop on Oct 10, 2018 6:57:16 GMT -5
Y'all have lots of info and back up your beliefs. That being said, I have deer hunter since 1978in Indiana and Ohio and previously 5 years in another state. I found the largest scrape I have ever seen (4'x6') on Aug 15th while squirrel hunting the opening day. When I saw it I didn't believe it to be a real scrape. I thought it was a mock scrape but there were doe tracks in it and a nice pile of dropping. While studying it a doe got up 10 yards from the scrape. She was bedded off the scrape, meaning she was in heat. On the other end of that, one year I saw a fawn with spots on Dec 24th. Here is what I have heard and believe. The healthy, more mature does are receptive early, and regularly. This many time happens prior to what we call the rut. During what we call the rut, most other adult does come in heat. Post rut, which I have seen a few times, the less healthy does will come in heat. To top all of this, young does born this year will go in heat when they reach 60 to 70 pounds and they are staggered throughout the rest of winter. There are documented cases of breading taken place as late as Feb and March. I would suppose this would account for seen a spotted fawn at Christmas! I don't claim to know anything about it but this is what I have observed and believe. As far as the amount of daylight affecting the rut, I think it might but, after the nuclear accident in Russia, the Laplanders were not allowed to sell their reindeer. That is the major income for that area. Scientists moved a herd of reindeer to Antartica to preserve them. For three years the deer continued to calf at the time they always had. All died because they were now being born in the winter. After the third year, they all changed their breeding/ calving to go along with their new habitat. Wade Wade Agree 100% as I said in another post it has to do with the health age of the doe the rut happens about the same time every year weather full moon and the likes has a factor on how much we as hunters see The deer will still breed it maybe more at night in bad weather but it’s still about the same. The second rut IMO is no more than younger deer or deer that did not take on the first try Mother nature is smarter than any outdoor mag or study and she’s not trying to sell you anything
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