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Post by huhwhatdeer on Aug 14, 2018 18:45:13 GMT -5
Deer season cannot get here soon enough. Fishing got boring. River is netted out. Found my son looking through all his camo and gear and told me I should do the same he's 13. Then asked me when season was. I said not soon enough and proceeded to the garage lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 20:30:46 GMT -5
Deer season cannot get here soon enough. Fishing got boring. River is netted out. Found my son looking through all his camo and gear and told me I should do the same he's 13. Then asked me when season was. I said not soon enough and proceeded to the garage lol Dumb question, what does netted out mean?
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Post by huhwhatdeer on Aug 15, 2018 4:49:40 GMT -5
Commercial fish nets for cats. Its horrible
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Post by jman46151 on Aug 15, 2018 14:35:10 GMT -5
Commercial fish nets for cats. Its horrible Asian carp?
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Post by jbird on Aug 15, 2018 14:42:32 GMT -5
Commercial fish nets for cats. Its horrible I wasn't aware that was even legal..... Especially for commercial purposes..... I am eager for season as well, but squirrel will open soon so maybe you can vent some frustration on some bushy-tails and get a few less of them to cause a disturbance come deer season....good practice for the kids as well. I'm still waiting for the 2017 deer harvest report to come out......would be nice to see before deer season gets here!
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Post by jjas on Aug 15, 2018 14:49:26 GMT -5
Deer season cannot get here soon enough. Fishing got boring. River is netted out. Found my son looking through all his camo and gear and told me I should do the same he's 13. Then asked me when season was. I said not soon enough and proceeded to the garage lol Why not go squirrel hunting? Season opened today!
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Post by huhwhatdeer on Aug 19, 2018 14:19:37 GMT -5
Commercial fish nets for cats. Its horrible I wasn't aware that was even legal..... Especially for commercial purposes..... I am eager for season as well, but squirrel will open soon so maybe you can vent some frustration on some bushy-tails and get a few less of them to cause a disturbance come deer season....good practice for the kids as well. I'm still waiting for the 2017 deer harvest report to come out......would be nice to see before deer season gets here! Dumb question here.. but what would the purpose in seeing the 2017 deer harvest?
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Post by throbak on Aug 19, 2018 15:44:20 GMT -5
Go to exposing paylakes. Com you’ll get the pic on FB also on commercial raping of our rivers
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Post by jbird on Aug 20, 2018 13:09:57 GMT -5
I wasn't aware that was even legal..... Especially for commercial purposes..... I am eager for season as well, but squirrel will open soon so maybe you can vent some frustration on some bushy-tails and get a few less of them to cause a disturbance come deer season....good practice for the kids as well. I'm still waiting for the 2017 deer harvest report to come out......would be nice to see before deer season gets here! Dumb question here.. but what would the purpose in seeing the 2017 deer harvest? It isn't so much of an activity to do as it is understanding what is going on in my state and county as far as the deer are concerned. How can we have this years hunting regulations already established, when we don't have the data from last hunting season compiled yet? Management is making decisions based on data.....otherwise, your guessing.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 20, 2018 13:33:04 GMT -5
Just because the data is not made public doesn’t mean that the DNR is not using that data in house for management purposes.
I’ve Heard that his report will be 300+ pages in the length. That is quite a contrast from a dozen or so pages that we used to see.
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Post by jjas on Aug 20, 2018 13:54:28 GMT -5
Just because the data is not made public doesn’t mean that the DNR is not using that data in house for management purposes. I’ve Heard that his report will be 300+ pages in the length. That is quite a contrast from a dozen or so pages that we used to see. I'm would imagine that they (the DNR) are utilizing the data, and I'm also sure that the length of the report is part of the reason it's so late. But...August is almost over and it would be nice for them to post the report for the public to see before the season starts.
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Post by jbird on Aug 21, 2018 9:36:39 GMT -5
The last report (2016) was VERY informative and it was much longer (129 pages) than the previous reports as well (2015 was 15 pages). I have electronic versions of those reports.
I am not sure we NEED a 300 page report, but we will see. My point is that we put the data of the harvest into the computer for the DNR with the on-line check in. They should be able to produce a preliminary harvest report (just reporting the harvest) in pretty short order. They keep a daily running total so why they can't program to sort the other data in the back ground in real time is beyond me. The technology is there to be able to release the raw data literally days after the entire deer season is closed. We have seen they can produce those results in a 15 page report. If they want to release a later "deer management report" taking into account the TB, CWD, county data on crop damage and car accidents plus the harvest data and how it impacts the new regulations and the like that is fine. I feel we need to see that data, however, we need it BEFORE deer season gets here, and BEFORE the next season regulations are set! This year we had NO opportunity to see that data and voice our concerns and opinions to the DNR before this years regulations had been set. Now tell me how I as a hunter am part of the decision making process when that happens???
If the new report is 300 pages - an old saying comes to mind. "If you can't dazzle them with the details, baffle them with BS". The DNR may very well be using this data to formulate their plan.....but we should see that data FIRST and have an opportunity to voice our concerns BEFORE the next season regulations come out in my opinion. As it is now....we have NO chance to impact this years regulations as they are already set....and we don't have the info to support ANY argument at this time...for or against the regulation changes. This may, or may not, be on purpose.
This is part of my concern with our DNR. They should have a set date on when the harvest data will be released to the public. They should have a set date on when they will have this "master" report released to the public. They should have a set date to allow for public input on the next season regulations AND THEN issue the next season regulations to the public. That is actual management. We do this in our jobs every day. Deadlines and data...fixed processes...data analysis and planning. I get frustrated when we seem to be an after thought in the process and the DNR seems to follow whatever schedule they want. The DNR tells us all the time how they need our help with data and funding and lord knows what else, yet we can't get a deer harvest report before the season regulations are issued and thus any concerns or issues we have can not even be taken into consideration until next year....when this potentially all starts over again. If I am to be accountable to report my harvest and pay my taxes within certain limits....then the DNR should be accountable to produce these reports and provide ample comment periods BEFORE the regulations are issued! What good does 300 pages of information do us if WE (the hunting public) have no means to use that data to influence the regulations based on our perspective? After all we are the ones in the woods...we are the ones that decide which deer and how many deer we take as an individual. We hunters make roughly 100,000 decisions or more every deer season.....we SHOULD be a vital part in the decisions being made behind a desk in Indianapolis!
Sorry for the rant..... I'll shut up now.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 21, 2018 22:25:41 GMT -5
Other than bonus antlerless quotas and reduction zone areas, this year's regulations we're set last year. Any input we make would be for the 2019 season.
I'm wondering if the DNR is even required to share that information with the public?
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Post by duff on Aug 22, 2018 4:28:50 GMT -5
I doubt the reports will change many folks decision on what or how many to kill this year. We know hunters will kill 110k deer up to 130k regardless of weather or timing.
wasnt there a new survey snd new check in surveys performed? Lots of info to assess and report. May be explains the size of report and why it is taking so long
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 6:32:16 GMT -5
Every year is called micro management. Deer populations don't change that much in a year. Like Duff said, "110-130K every year. Gather data and release new regulations every 3 years, maybe 5 years. Does anyone know what percentage of their time is spent reviewing regulations and the effort to release (print/Web/Commercials, etc) materials. What cost savings are there? It sure would cut down the noise.
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Post by solocam79 on Aug 24, 2018 21:21:48 GMT -5
Indiana DNR dont care about what us hunters think anyways, they have a agenda and pockets to fill(aka insurance companies). They will release the reports when they wish. Not like any of them are accurate since they went to the online checking anyways. Just like the survey this year asked about sniping deer. If they want it done it will be done, doesnt matter are opinion. If they want to worry so much about cwd, they would shut down deer farms. Theres shady deer farmers that are supposed to send in samples to be tested and swap stuff around. I dont know how many times these deer have escaped these operations. I wish our Dnr was like Iowa and put the wildlife and hunters actually first.
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