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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 8, 2018 11:02:22 GMT -5
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Feb 8, 2018 11:21:58 GMT -5
Why kids are not involved-
1. Sports- Its all year long and games on weekends practice though the week.
2. School- Activities after school and home work in the evenings.
3. Multiple kids see above Just no time in the schedule to get them out. If they are not successful, why even hunting anymore?
4. Phones/computers/gaming Take up an enormous amount of their time.
5. I have the property, resources and anything else a kid would need to have fun hunting or fishing. They just are not interested. I ask the nieces nephew and daughter all the time. Just don't wanna go. They did when they were little and we had fun. They all caught fish hand over fist and shot deer, squirrel, elk and antelope. We go shed hunting,quad riding and play in the creek. But not now......Other activities occupy their time. Hopefully they will come back. I'll be waiting on them.
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Post by steiny on Feb 8, 2018 12:24:13 GMT -5
Growing up all of my brothers and sisters were exposed to hunting and fishing and we all did it with the parents as kids. I'm 58 now and with the exception of a little fishing, none of them do this stuff anymore, just me. Since they don't do it, their kids don't either. They all enjoy the fish frys and will take all the venison we will give them, but going out and doing it is not something they enjoy and / or will take the time to do.
Electronic toys take up lots of their time.
Guns are frowned upon by many.
They don't get a full three months summer vacation anymore.
Many are tied up in organized sports.
Parents are afraid to let kids go out in the woods on their own ... the boogy man is going to get them.
The hunter safety requirement can be a road block.
Another issue is that there simply isn't the amount of available hunting real estate there was when we grew up. I'd guess my area has seen at least 50% of the habitat bulldozed or drained in the last 40 years.
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 8, 2018 12:41:21 GMT -5
Growing up all of my brothers and sisters were exposed to hunting and fishing and we all did it with the parents as kids. I'm 58 now and with the exception of a little fishing, none of them do this stuff anymore, just me. Since they don't do it, their kids don't either. They all enjoy the fish frys and will take all the venison we will give them, but going out and doing it is not something they enjoy and / or will take the time to do. Electronic toys take up lots of their time. Guns are frowned upon by many. They don't get a full three months summer vacation anymore. Many are tied up in organized sports.Parents are afraid to let kids go out in the woods on their own ... the boogy man is going to get them. The hunter safety requirement can be a road block. Another issue is that there simply isn't the amount of available hunting real estate there was when we grew up. I'd guess my area has seen at least 50% of the habitat bulldozed or drained in the last 40 years. While I agree all these can be issues I think these 2 are the biggest. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 12:55:03 GMT -5
I agree, but see some encouragement within the schools that has Archery 101 like classes. Seems to be growing to other schools. I have three sons and all went out with me a few times when young and only my youngest is truly interested. I do see my oldest might get back into it. He goes fishing at times. I do agree kids have a lot of options that take up their time. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 14:02:13 GMT -5
Why kids are not involved- 1. Sports- Its all year long and games on weekends practice though the week. 2. School- Activities after school and home work in the evenings. 3. Multiple kids see above Just no time in the schedule to get them out. If they are not successful, why even hunting anymore? 4. Phones/computers/gaming Take up an enormous amount of their time. 5. I have the property, resources and anything else a kid would need to have fun hunting or fishing. They just are not interested. I ask the nieces nephew and daughter all the time. Just don't wanna go. They did when they were little and we had fun. They all caught fish hand over fist and shot deer, squirrel, elk and antelope. We go shed hunting,quad riding and play in the creek. But not now......Other activities occupy their time. Hopefully they will come back. I'll be waiting on them. I think you're on the money with this. But I would add, some kids who are interested have no mentors to show them. Hunting is something very hard to get into if you didn't grow up with it. |
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Post by firstwd on Feb 8, 2018 16:15:39 GMT -5
Times have changed. Look at how everyday life was back in the 1960's compared to now.
Look at the difference in rural/huntable ground.
Look at the change hunting has had moving from small game to deer being the focal point.
Look at the outdoor entertainment industry that has blossomed and how it has changed over that time.
When new people get into hunting, they expect they are getting into success and not hunting. Heck, just look at the social media conversations over the last couple of years from seasoned hunters about success.
If we want to "save" hunting, we need to make an assertive effort to emphasize small game hunting, habitat, education, and hunter recruitment.
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 8, 2018 16:23:33 GMT -5
Do you think all the shows where the guy see 15 bazillion 160" bucks which are passed so on the third day he can kill a 180 class buck has caused a problem where when joe newbie goes out and sees a fork and 4 does he loses interest and is lost for good?
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Post by firstwd on Feb 8, 2018 16:43:09 GMT -5
Do you think all the shows where the guy see 15 bazillion 160" bucks which are passed so on the third day he can kill a 180 class buck has caused a problem where when joe newbie goes out and sees a fork and 4 does he loses interest and is lost for good? When I was growing up the hunting shows were all about teaching something. Hunting a scrape line, a fence crossing, a cut grain field, ducks on a river, geese in giant cut corn fields, early season squirrels, ect.... Now, they seem to all be about entertainment and I can kill more/bigger/better with my product than that guy can with his product. |
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Post by beermaker on Feb 8, 2018 19:00:24 GMT -5
All of the above.
Last fall my oldest daughter was in the school orchestra, private instrument lessons, school basketball team, club swim team, and the high school play, and Girl Scouts. Not only does that interfere with the possibility of her getting involved in the outdoors, it really throws a wrench into my plans! By the way, if anyone would like to suggest to my wife that it's just too many activities, let me know how the conversation goes.
Also, the family farm is slowly disappearing and land ownership is trending towards the mega-farms and wealthy. My uncle (by marriage) owned nearly 1000 acres with his brother. Most of it is tilled, but the wooded edges and small wood lots are excellent for deer hunting. He's dead, his brother is dead, and both widows are now dead. Combined, they had 12 kids and more grandkids & great grandkids than I can list. Not a darn one of them farms or wants anything to do with paying the property taxes. They all want their due money. Additionally, their is tension and disagreement among the heirs. To think that 30-40 people are going to all agree when money is involved is naive. The land is all being purchased by an outfit that farms 10000+ acres. I have lost three properties die to situations just like this.
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Post by duff on Feb 8, 2018 19:30:48 GMT -5
I am not buying it. I grew up in a small rural town. There were several hunters but of my friends I bet only 10 to 20% of us hunted. And only 5 to 10% were hard core about it
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Post by duff on Feb 8, 2018 19:32:19 GMT -5
I am not buying it. I grew up in a small rural town. There were several hunters but of my friends I bet only 10 to 20% of us hunted. And only 5 to 10% were hard core about it
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Post by bartiks on Feb 8, 2018 20:39:05 GMT -5
In the words of Ron White, "it's cold, early and I don't freaking want to go". On a serious note definitely have to get the younger generation involved. Show them the wonders of being outside instead of what is going on in snapchat or whatever they are using to communicate now days. I can't wait until it warms up enough so I can take my oldest out and teach her how to dig up and drown worms. She loves going outside which really excites me.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 8, 2018 21:34:56 GMT -5
Another huge difference is the definition of camping from the 60's to now. Well, from the 90's to now. Kids now go camping in a rolling 3/4 star hotel and experience the outdoors. They are pretty much experiencing a weekend at home and park in a different place. If we put a backpack on kids and took them into the wilderness with a tent and a few supplies they would experience so much more.
The family that got me into deer hunting (my family didn't) would go opening weekend of squirrel season and spend three days in the woods by a pond. We took food for Friday night and breakfast Saturday morning. If we wanted to eat beyond that we either caught it or shot it. Wonderful time, incredible lessons, and lasting memories. Hard to believe that was 30 years ago....
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Post by thebellcompany on Feb 9, 2018 0:53:01 GMT -5
When we were kids in the 80’s every family went camping for vacation. No one ever went on a cruise or to Disneyland. No one had the money for that.
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Post by nfalls116 on Feb 9, 2018 7:36:18 GMT -5
I am not buying it. I grew up in a small rural town. There were several hunters but of my friends I bet only 10 to 20% of us hunted. And only 5 to 10% were hard core about it We heard you the first time |
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