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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 7:02:20 GMT -5
Urban areas hold deer and just as many as country areas if not more. Cincinnati is in Hamilton County and hunters harvested last year 1589. Not bad for an urban area. It is amazing how the deer have adapted to city life.
Hamilton: 1,589
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Post by nfalls116 on Sept 14, 2017 8:02:52 GMT -5
I was going to just round it to 14 but then when I tried putting thoughts to text it changed but yes 13.7 is closer. Not sure how much area or indiana is uninhabitable by deer but I'd guess a pretty low percent maybe 15-20% at most anyone know how much land is considered urban in indiana by sq miles? I'm not doing all your math for you. You're a big boy. Figure it out. I can't find the information!
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 14, 2017 8:58:04 GMT -5
Indiana has 36,418 Sq Miles
IF say 20% are uninhabitable for deer...leaves 29,134 Square Miles (rounded).
That still means just a tiny 17/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is accurate.
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For sake of argument lets say 40% is uninhabitable.....leaves 21,850 Square Miles (rounded).
STILL only 22.88/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is the number of deer.
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Now to put in perspective folks, a square mile (perfect cube) is right around just 640 acres.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 14, 2017 9:13:11 GMT -5
Indiana has 36,418 Sq Miles IF say 20% are uninhabitable for deer...leaves 29,134 Square Miles (rounded). That still means just a tiny 17/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is accurate. ------ For sake of argument lets say 40% is uninhabitable.....leaves 21,850 Square Miles (rounded). STILL only 22.88/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is the number of deer. ------ Now to put in perspective folks, a square mile (perfect cube) is right around just 40 acres. I think you probably mean a perfect square of 640 acres.
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Post by tynimiller on Sept 14, 2017 9:28:09 GMT -5
LOL fat finger skipped the 6 fixed
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Post by span870 on Sept 14, 2017 19:40:22 GMT -5
I'm not doing all your math for you. You're a big boy. Figure it out. I can't find the information! Asking the wrong guy here.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 14, 2017 20:05:14 GMT -5
Indiana has 36,418 Sq Miles IF say 20% are uninhabitable for deer...leaves 29,134 Square Miles (rounded). That still means just a tiny 17/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is accurate. ------ For sake of argument lets say 40% is uninhabitable.....leaves 21,850 Square Miles (rounded). STILL only 22.88/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is the number of deer. ------ Now to put in perspective folks, a square mile (perfect cube) is right around just 640 acres. Now come on, 640 acres should have at least 10 to 12 shooter or close to shooter bucks on it, not to mention 30 to 40 does to keep those genes going.
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Post by bullseye on Sept 14, 2017 21:07:59 GMT -5
One of the biggest racks I have seen at the Taxidermist was shot by the Marion County Fairgrounds. Guy hunted little patches of woods. Said you could see them coming from a long way off crossing fields between little patches of woods.
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Post by duff on Sept 15, 2017 5:03:05 GMT -5
I'm not doing all your math for you. You're a big boy. Figure it out. I can't find the information! 93% of indiana is considered rural. I would break it down more than that as big ag fields will hold less than most neighborhoods. 1.5% of Indiana is covered by water I agree 500 to 700k seems realistic. For comparison last census humans were 181 per square mile. Yuck!
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Post by firstwd on Sept 15, 2017 5:22:18 GMT -5
I can't find the information! 93% of indiana is considered rural. I would break it down more than that as big ag fields will hold less than most neighborhoods. 1.5% of Indiana is covered by water I agree 500 to 700k seems realistic. For comparison last census humans were 181 per square mile. Yuck! Rural doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have an urban setting. Just look at Johnson County for example.
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Post by GS1 on Sept 15, 2017 5:32:11 GMT -5
I just got off Facebook. The Indiana deer herd is currently 7. Hopefully one didn't walk out in front of a car last night.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 15, 2017 6:14:26 GMT -5
Indiana has 36,418 Sq Miles IF say 20% are uninhabitable for deer...leaves 29,134 Square Miles (rounded). That still means just a tiny 17/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is accurate. ------ For sake of argument lets say 40% is uninhabitable.....leaves 21,850 Square Miles (rounded). STILL only 22.88/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is the number of deer. ------ Now to put in perspective folks, a square mile (perfect cube) is right around just 640 acres. Now come on, 640 acres should have at least 10 to 12 shooter or close to shooter bucks on it, not to mention 30 to 40 does to keep those genes going. I think a lot of square mile chunks have those kind of numbers, depending on how you define a shooter.
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Post by jjas on Sept 15, 2017 7:16:53 GMT -5
I just got off Facebook. The Indiana deer herd is currently 7. Hopefully one didn't walk out in front of a car last night. That's hilarious.
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Post by duff on Sept 15, 2017 16:06:26 GMT -5
93% of indiana is considered rural. I would break it down more than that as big ag fields will hold less than most neighborhoods. 1.5% of Indiana is covered by water I agree 500 to 700k seems realistic. For comparison last census humans were 181 per square mile. Yuck! Rural doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have an urban setting. Just look at Johnson County for example. Sure just posting info that is out there. There are 11.4 million acres of row crops this year according to usda.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 16, 2017 6:04:48 GMT -5
Indiana has 36,418 Sq Miles IF say 20% are uninhabitable for deer...leaves 29,134 Square Miles (rounded). That still means just a tiny 17/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is accurate. ------ For sake of argument lets say 40% is uninhabitable.....leaves 21,850 Square Miles (rounded). STILL only 22.88/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is the number of deer. ------ Now to put in perspective folks, a square mile (perfect cube) is right around just 640 acres. The big question is what should the deer density be in Indiana? Once again, the world comes down to perspective. What one person thinks the size of the herd is differs greatly from another because of what they see on their little piece of the state and by what they think they should see on their little piece of the state. What the average deer density per square mile across the state is obviously not what every person has on their square mile. This makes people think the deer herd is hurting or non existent. The reality is, if we all saw dozens of deer every time we went to the woods the deer herd would be in much more trouble than us just seeing a few here and there. Mother nature is cruel and doesn't balance things with a gentle hand. Just look at EHD as an example.
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 16, 2017 10:00:37 GMT -5
Indiana has 36,418 Sq Miles IF say 20% are uninhabitable for deer...leaves 29,134 Square Miles (rounded). That still means just a tiny 17/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is accurate. ------ For sake of argument lets say 40% is uninhabitable.....leaves 21,850 Square Miles (rounded). STILL only 22.88/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is the number of deer. ------ Now to put in perspective folks, a square mile (perfect cube) is right around just 640 acres. The big question is what should the deer density be in Indiana? Once again, the world comes down to perspective. What one person thinks the size of the herd is differs greatly from another because of what they see on their little piece of the state and by what they think they should see on their little piece of the state. What the average deer density per square mile across the state is obviously not what every person has on their square mile. This makes people think the deer herd is hurting or non existent. The reality is, if we all saw dozens of deer every time we went to the woods the deer herd would be in much more trouble than us just seeing a few here and there. Mother nature is cruel and doesn't balance things with a gentle hand. Just look at EHD as an example. Interesting comments as I try to evaluate our local herd. When I first moved to farm in 2002 the deer population was rediculous. Not uncommon to see 40 plus deer a set. Couldn't raise any food sources as they got wiped out quickly. I'd guess we had close to 80 deer per square mile. We took alot of doe's first few years and still avg. 8-10 a year just to maintain current levels. Currently I'd guess herd to be around 40 per sq. mile here. Side note in the 15 years here I have found 1 dead deer I suspected died from EHD and that was in the real bad year. Numbers may be hard to believe for some but I'm surrounded by farms of 240, 280 ,190 and our 140 and another 75 I lease. The 2 biggest farms shoot ZERO doe's and are hunted only by landowners. Thus I have tons doe's which is a good problem to have these days.
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 16, 2017 10:07:50 GMT -5
Indiana has 36,418 Sq Miles IF say 20% are uninhabitable for deer...leaves 29,134 Square Miles (rounded). That still means just a tiny 17/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is accurate. ------ For sake of argument lets say 40% is uninhabitable.....leaves 21,850 Square Miles (rounded). STILL only 22.88/Deer per sq. mile IF 500,000 is the number of deer. ------ Now to put in perspective folks, a square mile (perfect cube) is right around just 640 acres. The big question is what should the deer density be in Indiana? Once again, the world comes down to perspective. What one person thinks the size of the herd is differs greatly from another because of what they see on their little piece of the state and by what they think they should see on their little piece of the state. What the average deer density per square mile across the state is obviously not what every person has on their square mile. This makes people think the deer herd is hurting or non existent. The reality is, if we all saw dozens of deer every time we went to the woods the deer herd would be in much more trouble than us just seeing a few here and there. Mother nature is cruel and doesn't balance things with a gentle hand. Just look at EHD as an example. Interesting comments as I try to evaluate our local herd. When I first moved to farm in 2002 the deer population was rediculous. Not uncommon to see 40 plus deer a set. Couldn't raise any food sources as they got wiped out quickly. I'd guess we had close to 80 deer per square mile. We took alot of doe's first few years and still avg. 8-10 a year just to maintain current levels. Currently I'd guess herd to be around 40 per sq. mile here. Side note in the 15 years here I have found 1 dead deer I suspected died from EHD and that was in the real bad year. Numbers may be hard to believe for some but I'm surrounded by farms of 240, 280 ,190 and our 140 and another 75 I lease. The 2 biggest farms shoot ZERO doe's and are hunted only by landowners. Thus I have tons doe's which is a good problem to have these days.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 16, 2017 10:25:52 GMT -5
The big question is what should the deer density be in Indiana? Once again, the world comes down to perspective. What one person thinks the size of the herd is differs greatly from another because of what they see on their little piece of the state and by what they think they should see on their little piece of the state. What the average deer density per square mile across the state is obviously not what every person has on their square mile. This makes people think the deer herd is hurting or non existent. The reality is, if we all saw dozens of deer every time we went to the woods the deer herd would be in much more trouble than us just seeing a few here and there. Mother nature is cruel and doesn't balance things with a gentle hand. Just look at EHD as an example. Interesting comments as I try to evaluate our local herd. When I first moved to farm in 2002 the deer population was rediculous. Not uncommon to see 40 plus deer a set. Couldn't raise any food sources as they got wiped out quickly. I'd guess we had close to 80 deer per square mile. We took alot of doe's first few years and still avg. 8-10 a year just to maintain current levels. Currently I'd guess herd to be around 40 per sq. mile here. Side note in the 15 years here I have found 1 dead deer I suspected died from EHD and that was in the real bad year. Numbers may be hard to believe for some but I'm surrounded by farms of 240, 280 ,190 and our 140 and another 75 I lease. The 2 biggest farms shoot ZERO doe's and are hunted only by landowners. Thus I have tons doe's which is a good problem to have these days. Sounds like a similar scenario to what was happening in the parks before they started the reduction hunts. Difference being habitat quality, the deer in your area can get to that level without starving in the winter.
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