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Post by swilk on May 2, 2017 7:26:54 GMT -5
I bought me some Chinese knock off lighted nocks last year .... $3 each instead of $9 each and looking at them side by side I'd guess they were made in the same factory. Ill pay more for American made but if I have to chose between two identical products that are both made in China anyway it becomes really hard to justify the extra cost.
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Post by jjas on May 2, 2017 7:45:24 GMT -5
I don't shoot cheap broad heads with my bow or cheap hunting ammo in my guns....
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Post by 76chevy on May 2, 2017 11:36:02 GMT -5
so which is the cheap chinese one?? Rages are about 50/50. 50% love them and 50% love to hate them. I was firmly in the "never shoot a mechanical" camp before I shot a buck with a grim reaper. he dropped within 10 yards. Incredible blood loss. I was a believer. Get a good shot and make it and they work exceptionally well for quick humane kills. Marginal shot and you might lose the deer. Same is true with fixed heads too!
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 2, 2017 13:47:11 GMT -5
I say buy some, look at the construction and give them a try. Well placed, they'll kill even if they don't open. No, no they won't. Well maybe at a later time but after a pretty painful death. You don't think that point will penetrate to the heart? The practice tip does a pretty good job and it doesn't open and it's not sharp. I figured it would go in, but this is Jon Snow talking.
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Post by span870 on May 2, 2017 16:27:19 GMT -5
I bought some Chinese rage last year and twice had opening issues. I shot very light arrows. I don't think it was the Chinese rage issue, would have happened to Rage mechanical. Does ribs are close together and the rage cut is to wide. It went in about 3-4 inches and got stuck between the ribs. I was able to get a 2nd arrow to do the job and checked it out during inspection. On the buck I hit the shoulder and did not penetrate much. Switch back to fixed and it worked like a charm. If your broadhead can't blow through ribs, buck or doe, mechanical or fixed, best go with another head. More times than not you're gonna hit a rib.
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Post by span870 on May 2, 2017 16:31:08 GMT -5
No, no they won't. Well maybe at a later time but after a pretty painful death. You don't think that point will penetrate to the heart? The practice tip does a pretty good job and it doesn't open and it's not sharp. I figured it would go in, but this is Jon Snow talking. Read my post earlier, the book. Is it worth the chance?
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 2, 2017 17:18:51 GMT -5
You don't think that point will penetrate to the heart? The practice tip does a pretty good job and it doesn't open and it's not sharp. I figured it would go in, but this is Jon Snow talking. Read my post earlier, the book. Is it worth the chance? Not for me, but I'm not cheap. I'll ruin 2-3 good broadheads sighting them in from my stand. The rage will last longer in practice than my NAP Spitfire; I just like the Spitfires better.
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Post by duff on May 2, 2017 20:51:43 GMT -5
About 25 yrs ago at Jack's archery shop in Anderson I was shooting and listening to a guy complain about a mechanical head failure to penetrate. Never used one since and probably never will.
Seeing a perfect shot placement on Shames buck last season confirmed it for me.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 2, 2017 20:56:10 GMT -5
I've never had one not go through.
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Post by firstwd on May 2, 2017 21:43:52 GMT -5
This, like beer and pick-up brands, is all about personal preference. Some are brand loyal no matter the cost, some are loyal the person personal performance history, some are loyal to what their wallet will allow. The best part is no one is wrong.
Personally, I have been around long enough to have seen nearly every "advancement" in broadheads. For years I used a solid 2 blade 125 grain head made at a machine shop in Michigan. I just never could convince myself that mechanicals were the best choice. Now that I'm back into archery, I use Exodus full blade and so does my daughter on her crossbow bolts. I missed a turkey with her crossbow a few years ago and buried one into a cherry tree. After several minutes with a limb saw I found one tiny nick that easily honed out.
I found my preference, I hope you do to.
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Post by boonechaser on May 2, 2017 22:48:18 GMT -5
Mechanical's offer hunters that don't have tons of time to practice a broadhead that preforms/flys as a field tip. I have used Rage 2 blade 100 grain Chisel tip broadheads's for several years and love them. Harvested 35 plus deer With no lost deer. Lucky if I get to shoot 3-4 X's month anymore and Rages fly identical to a field point with no adjustment's with my setup. To each his own. Like going to a Dr. I'm not looking for the cheapest but best for my situation.
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Post by dbd870 on May 3, 2017 6:31:58 GMT -5
Since returning to my youth and using only recurves I of course don't have the option for using heads like these. Having said that I do believe even for compound shooters arrows can get too light and a reasonably high FOC is a good thing, also momentum is the best number of the bunch to pay attention to.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 6:41:05 GMT -5
I bought some Chinese rage last year and twice had opening issues. I shot very light arrows. I don't think it was the Chinese rage issue, would have happened to Rage mechanical. Does ribs are close together and the rage cut is to wide. It went in about 3-4 inches and got stuck between the ribs. I was able to get a 2nd arrow to do the job and checked it out during inspection. On the buck I hit the shoulder and did not penetrate much. Switch back to fixed and it worked like a charm. If your broadhead can't blow through ribs, buck or doe, mechanical or fixed, best go with another head. More times than not you're gonna hit a rib. I prefer smaller size broadheads (1 1/8). When I went back to my muzzy it knocked down two of them last year. If the blade does not glances or rotate off the rib then the penetration is minimal. Over the years I've tried mechanicals and both times I've switched back. I guess mechanicals are not for me and or I have not found the right one. It seems the small fixed blades fly truer than large fixed or mechanicals.
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Post by swilk on May 3, 2017 8:22:25 GMT -5
There are most certainly instances where a mechanical can fail but there are also cases where a fixed blade head can fail. The argument that "more moving parts equals more potential for failure" cannot be ignored and is just a fact about mechanical heads. But, a slight percentage increase in a scenario that will likely never happen is acceptable to me.
Ive lost more critters using a fixed blade than I have a mechanical ..... but there is much more to it than just the head used.
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Post by boonechaser on May 3, 2017 10:51:31 GMT -5
There are most certainly instances where a mechanical can fail but there are also cases where a fixed blade head can fail. The argument that "more moving parts equals more potential for failure" cannot be ignored and is just a fact about mechanical heads. But, a slight percentage increase in a scenario that will likely never happen is acceptable to me. Ive lost more critters using a fixed blade than I have a mechanical ..... but there is much more to it than just the head used. You are exactly right. I'm not saying a mechanical is right for everyone, but the Rages work well for me with not having ton's of practice time. End of day no matter what broad head you use it comes down to shot placement. Rage's allow me to be confident in my accuracy, which again is most important IMO.
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Post by throbak on May 3, 2017 18:20:31 GMT -5
Truth be known Their all made in china Most labels say they are anyway
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 20:09:40 GMT -5
The biggest reason I went back to fix is that mechanical seem to break easier or at least the Chinese rag did.
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Post by beermaker on May 4, 2017 4:46:53 GMT -5
I bought a pack of fixed-blade NAPs with my crossbow, I think five years ago. None of the deer that I have shot with them have gone more than 30 yards and two literally dropped on the spot via direct heart shots. I have not had one damaged blade and have shot multiple deer with the same head. I'll stick with them.
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Post by esshup on May 4, 2017 10:51:45 GMT -5
I've had a fixed blade broadhead not penetrate because I hit the scapula, bent the tip over and only penetrate at the most 3". I've had a Rage fully open and exit, but the deer didn't leave a blood trail. How that happened, I have no idea. I've had a deer hit in the lungs with a .257 Weatherby Mag at 100 yds run 80-90 yds before any blood was found (on fresh snow) and it dropped 30 feet past the first blood drop - Nosler Ballilstic Tip that didn't exit.
I look at it as picking your poison and taking your best chance. All you can do is practice, practice, practice to make sure the projectile hits exactly where you are aiming.
BUT, I agree, support the company that did the design work and not a copycat.
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Post by steiny on May 8, 2017 10:24:41 GMT -5
I'm sure those knock offs will work just fine, and like someone else mentioned .... if properly placed they will kill weather they open up or not. Heck, double lung pass thru with a field tip will be a quick death and good blood trail for any deer.
I'm just not a fan of mechanical heads. Muzzy .... If it aint broke, don't fix it.
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