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Post by Tim Moore on Apr 17, 2017 11:20:19 GMT -5
PERIOD COVERED: July 1, 2009 to June 30, 2010
JOB NUMBER: 14-C-4
JOB TITLE: Statewide Archers Index of Furbearer Populations
WORK PLAN: WILD513
STRATEGIC PLAN: Private Lands
CONDUCTED BY: Division of Fish and Wildlife
PREPARED BY: Chad M. Stewart, Wildlife Research Biologist
October 1 through November 12, 2010. A total of 5,551 archery-hunts were conducted during the survey period, resulting in 16,383 hours of hunting observations
***************************************************************************************************** Far From 18,000
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2010 Hunter Survey
Responsive Management obtained a total
of 8,591 completed interviews.
The analysis of data was performed using SPSS as well as proprietary software developed by
Responsive Management. Throughout this report, findings of the telephone survey are reported
at a 95% confidence interval (or higher). For the entire sample of Indiana hunters whose license
allowed deer hunting, the sampling error is at most plus or minus 1.03 percentage points.
Sampling error was calculated based on a sample size of 8,591 and a population size of 154,303
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Again Far From 18,000
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Landowner survey respondents from 2013
Farm Income* n
0-20% 1663
21-40% 632
41-60% 537
61-80% 538
81-100% 1393
TOTAL 4763
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Again Far From 18,000
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 17, 2017 11:25:59 GMT -5
Those were the completed received ones from the 2010 survey.
Where does it say the number of unbiasedly randomly sent number out of curiosity? Which if I understood the 18K claim was about, not the actual received number.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 11:29:14 GMT -5
Tim,
You do understand what - "Throughout this report, findings of the telephone survey are reported
at a 95% confidence interval (or higher) means right?
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 11:36:10 GMT -5
Those were the completed received ones from the 2010 survey. Where does it say the number of unbiasedly randomly sent number out of curiosity? Which if I understood the 18K claim was about, not the actual received number. Page 16.. This one was 24,378. The 18,000 are the ones that the DNR does personally.. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 11:38:17 GMT -5
Tim posted -
That has NOTHING to do with the numbers of answers that they got.
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Post by Tim Moore on Apr 17, 2017 12:23:08 GMT -5
Look
You want to twist numbers correct you say CDAC's are biased you say they are only the people complain
Sampling error was calculated based on a sample size of 8,591 and a population size of 154,303.
Here's my Point Ty & Woody
I stated in another post we completed our 7th CDAC
we have had 425 folks sign in
we have had over 1000 surveys turned in from 7 counties
So if my Math is correct
that would be 61 per county average showing up X 92 counties = 5612
Then the Surveys would be average of 142 x 92 counties = 13,064 for a Total of 18676 Responding to the Deer Herd Management of ANtlerless Quotas
That's far more 8591 over 10,000 more
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 12:33:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry but your survey is very limited to those counties that are in the CDAC pilot program. You can not extrapolate that to state wide..
The 2010 deer hunter survey was state wide.
Since you seem to think your surveys are spot on, what is the percent confidence interval of your surveys?
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Post by GS1 on Apr 17, 2017 12:36:27 GMT -5
Look You want to twist numbers correct you say CDAC's are biased you say they are only the people complain Sampling error was calculated based on a sample size of 8,591 and a population size of 154,303. Here's my Point Ty & Woody I stated in another post we completed our 7th CDAC we have had 425 folks sign in we have had over 1000 surveys turned in from 7 counties So if my Math is correct that would be 61 per county average showing up X 92 counties = 5612 Then the Surveys would be average of 142 x 92 counties = 13,064 for a Total of 18676 Responding to the Deer Herd Management of ANtlerless Quotas That's far more 8591 over 10,000 more How many people have taken your survey that do not live or hunt in the county it is for? How many have taken it multiple times? |
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 17, 2017 12:36:38 GMT -5
Look You want to twist numbers correct you say CDAC's are biased you say they are only the people complain Sampling error was calculated based on a sample size of 8,591 and a population size of 154,303. Here's my Point Ty & Woody I stated in another post we completed our 7th CDAC we have had 425 folks sign in we have had over 1000 surveys turned in from 7 counties So if my Math is correct that would be 61 per county average showing up X 92 counties = 5612 Then the Surveys would be average of 142 x 92 counties = 13,064 for a Total of 18676 Responding to the Deer Herd Management of ANtlerless Quotas That's far more 8591 over 10,000 more True...but again with IWDHM making the CDACs and leading them the involvement is going to be naturally the unhappy. Those unhappy could have a multitude of various reasons, valid, invalid, confused or just plain unclear. Either way, randomly surveying an entire body will have a greater chance of not seeing just one opinion is all I'm saying. I believe a EVERY hunter survey would be an amazing tool and with modern technology would not be a tough thing to accomplish since each hunter that gets a license could be given a unique # and bam you have no ability for multiple entries and you are grasping opinions from everyone/everywhere. |
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Post by greghopper on Apr 17, 2017 12:42:49 GMT -5
Look You want to twist numbers correct you say CDAC's are biased you say they are only the people complain Sampling error was calculated based on a sample size of 8,591 and a population size of 154,303. Here's my Point Ty & Woody I stated in another post we completed our 7th CDAC we have had 425 folks sign in we have had over 1000 surveys turned in from 7 counties So if my Math is correct that would be 61 per county average showing up X 92 counties = 5612 Then the Surveys would be average of 142 x 92 counties = 13,064 for a Total of 18676 Responding to the Deer Herd Management of ANtlerless Quotas That's far more 8591 over 10,000 more How many people have taken your survey that do not live or hunt in the county it is for? How many have taken it multiple times? You said a mouthful there.... |
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 12:44:41 GMT -5
The DNR has scientists working for them. These folks only accept scientifically conducted surveys..
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 12:48:33 GMT -5
The DNR has scientists working for them. These folks only accept scientifically conducted surveys.. PS... Survey Monkey is not scientific ... |
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 13:00:05 GMT -5
Question Tim....
Why was this question on the survey and what will you all recommend if the majority says yes..
14. DO YOU AGREE THAT INDIANA SHOULD IMPLEMENT A STATEWIDE MAX TAG QUOTA PER HUNTER?
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 17, 2017 13:04:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry but your survey is very limited to those counties that are in the CDAC pilot program. You can not extrapolate that to state wide.. The 2010 deer hunter survey was state wide. Since you seem to think your surveys are spot on, what is the percent confidence interval of your surveys? On second thought your surveys were not "limited"" to those counties. Anyone ANYWHERE could vote in your surveys. Your surveys are world wide just because they are in the internet. The random sampling done by the DNR is sent to specific deer hunters within the state of Indiana .. Nobody from China gets a say so..  |
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Post by span870 on Apr 17, 2017 17:22:45 GMT -5
Here's the problem with your survey. How many people come to the meetings are okay with the deer herd as they see it now? My guess is few. How many that are actually in your group are fine with the deer herd as they see it now? Again, my guess, very few. The survey would then be biased. You can't survey a bow hunting group and say do you want to extend gun hunting and feel you have an unbiased survey when the majority say no. You can't survey an anti hunting group and say do you want to allow more hunting and feel like you had an actual success when the majority say no. Throw whatever numbers out you want but unless you get a true cross section of a survey of hunters then you don't have much.
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 17, 2017 18:24:57 GMT -5
Here's the problem with your survey. How many people come to the meetings are okay with the deer herd as they see it now? My guess is few. How many that are actually in your group are fine with the deer herd as they see it now? Again, my guess, very few. The survey would then be biased. You can't survey a bow hunting group and say do you want to extend gun hunting and feel you have an unbiased survey when the majority say no. You can't survey an anti hunting group and say do you want to allow more hunting and feel like you had an actual success when the majority say no. Throw whatever numbers out you want but unless you get a true cross section of a survey of hunters then you don't have much. The very reason why the unbiasedly ran surveys by the DNR should be upped and utilized more. Shoot I'd donate a $1 a year to fund the mailings. Every license holder buys a $1 survey tag to never go up and receives the survey along with license (lifetime and landowners can file separately as no purchase of tags). Instantly you have not just the pulse of a few but of all that choose to take time to do. That is best case...but since not gonna happen most likely I believe hunters need to demand more surveys conducted by the DNR because they are unbiasedly sent out. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 19, 2017 7:08:10 GMT -5
You're correct.. I've deleted my question and your answer.
I'll pm you later..
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 19, 2017 7:08:47 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 19, 2017 7:10:28 GMT -5
As we can see the recent surveys were 18,000+ surveyed..
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Post by jjas on Apr 19, 2017 13:34:58 GMT -5
The problem that I see with many surveys are that they tend to sample a very small amount of people.
In other words....I don't think that the opinions of 40 people in any particular county should drive public policy...period.
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