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Post by trapperdave on Jan 8, 2017 1:07:20 GMT -5
I agree, make a user lisence for all the hikers birdwatchers etc to foot their share of the bill!
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Post by firstwd on Jan 8, 2017 11:47:09 GMT -5
I agree, make a user lisence for all the hikers birdwatchers etc to foot their share of the bill! But if they had to buy a hunting or fishing license we would get PR money as well.
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Post by tomthreetoes on Jan 8, 2017 11:58:36 GMT -5
I'm in the minority I know, I didn't buy a lifetime license. However I think those of use who didn't have been burdened with trying to make up the revenue lost on these lifetime licenses. It's not our fault that the folks in charge did a poor job managing the money. Something needs to be done to even the field. What about the younger folks who didn't have the opportunity to buy one? Are they gonna have to keep the revenue flowing? Doesn't seem quiet fair to me. I'm older and only buy a small game and turkey tag so not a big deal for me but if hunter recruitment is such a big deal, as most folks claim, why make it more expensive to start? Another thing that that I would like to know is what are they doing with the money they have? Regardless of the so called "studies" our DNR puts out I think most believe deer numbers are way down from years past ditto turkeys and especially small game. But what did our managers do? They reestablished bobcats to further reduce game populations. Counter productive seems to me. I have always felt if you pay more then you should get something in return. Sorry for the long winded post, but it's been a sore spot for me for a long time.
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Post by davers on Jan 8, 2017 12:23:39 GMT -5
I'm in the minority I know, I didn't buy a lifetime license. However I think those of use who didn't have been burdened with trying to make up the revenue lost on these lifetime licenses. It's not our fault that the folks in charge did a poor job managing the money. Something needs to be done to even the field. What about the younger folks who didn't have the opportunity to buy one? Are they gonna have to keep the revenue flowing? Doesn't seem quiet fair to me. I'm older and only buy a small game and turkey tag so not a big deal for me but if hunter recruitment is such a big deal, as most folks claim, why make it more expensive to start? Another thing that that I would like to know is what are they doing with the money they have? Regardless of the so called "studies" our DNR puts out I think most believe deer numbers are way down from years past ditto turkeys and especially small game. But what did our managers do? They reestablished bobcats to further reduce game populations. Counter productive seems to me. I have always felt if you pay more then you should get something in return. Sorry for the long winded post, but it's been a sore spot for me for a long time. Good post, Dave! I couldn't have posted what you said any better.
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Post by wesb81219 on Jan 8, 2017 12:56:59 GMT -5
I'm in the minority I know, I didn't buy a lifetime license. However I think those of use who didn't have been burdened with trying to make up the revenue lost on these lifetime licenses. It's not our fault that the folks in charge did a poor job managing the money. Something needs to be done to even the field. What about the younger folks who didn't have the opportunity to buy one? Are they gonna have to keep the revenue flowing? Doesn't seem quiet fair to me. I'm older and only buy a small game and turkey tag so not a big deal for me but if hunter recruitment is such a big deal, as most folks claim, why make it more expensive to start? Another thing that that I would like to know is what are they doing with the money they have? Regardless of the so called "studies" our DNR puts out I think most believe deer numbers are way down from years past ditto turkeys and especially small game. But what did our managers do? They reestablished bobcats to further reduce game populations. Counter productive seems to me. I have always felt if you pay more then you should get something in return. Sorry for the long winded post, but it's been a sore spot for me for a long time. Never thought of it this way but you have a valid point. Perhaps a yearly "tax" on ltl would be in order to help distribute the cost load amongst every hunter / fisherman / outdoorsman.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 8, 2017 13:04:47 GMT -5
If the fees were doubled, I can't imagine paying $400 next year. I would just stop hunting some seasons. I think $200 is plenty to pay, and wouldn't pay much more. All my bills go up, but my income hasn't in a decade.
Too much of an increase would make some not hunt (legally), and some buy fewer licenses like me. I really wonder, given all the likely scenarios, what would be the most effective way to increase funds?
A smaller increase may not stop many from still purchasing the same number of licenses, but a larger one isn't likely to produce a proportional increase in funds.
However, would fewer hunters be a good thing?
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Post by duff on Jan 8, 2017 13:20:39 GMT -5
Hunting is not cheap. The cost for gear far exceed the cost for annual tags. Gas spent going to and from hunting cost more. Then those that don't process their own deer add another $100. Lots of leasing going on too.
Even if we get a tag increase it won't impact participatuon any. If a guy quits over 5 or 50 dollars theydon't really like to hunt or need to work more.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 8, 2017 13:35:54 GMT -5
Hunting is not cheap. The cost for gear far exceed the cost for annual tags. Gas spent going to and from hunting cost more. Then those that don't process their own deer add another $100. Lots of leasing going on too. Even if we get a tag increase it won't impact participatuon any. If a guy quits over 5 or 50 dollars theydon't really like to hunt or need to work more. Oh now, many can't work more or make more money. I'm thinking some of our liberal politicians think the way you have mentioned. Yep. lots of people out there with money who don't mind spending it, even more who don't have it, but still spend it. I'm sure the demand will be there for quite some time, but for people like me, and worse off, there is a stopping point. I've never shot a waterfowl, but buy a licenses and stamp each year ...just in case I get asked to go. Next year, I will probably not buy it. For some like me, the end response will be more level, one department might get more, but another will get less; I'll pay the same.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 8, 2017 14:11:24 GMT -5
I agree, make a user lisence for all the hikers birdwatchers etc to foot their share of the bill! But if they had to buy a hunting or fishing license we would get PR money as well. True, but I don't see the tree loving bunny hugger crowd doing that, and it would be cheating the system.
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Post by duff on Jan 8, 2017 14:13:15 GMT -5
Hunting is not cheap. The cost for gear far exceed the cost for annual tags. Gas spent going to and from hunting cost more. Then those that don't process their own deer add another $100. Lots of leasing going on too. Even if we get a tag increase it won't impact participatuon any. If a guy quits over 5 or 50 dollars theydon't really like to hunt or need to work more. Oh now, many can't work more or make more money. I'm thinking some of our liberal politicians think the way you have mentioned. Yep. lots of people out there with money who don't mind spending it. I'm sure the demand will be there for quite some time, but for people like me, and worse off, there is a stopping point. I've never shot a waterfowl, but buy a licenses and stamp each year ...just in case I get asked to go. Next year, I will probably not buy it. For some like me, the end response will be more level, one might get more, but another will get less; I'll pay the same. Did you call me a liberal? No doubt some will decide to not hunt when tags go up. Guess what...they will go up again and again. I have been buying licenses since I was 15. I am 41 and have seen price hikes 2 or 3 times. One of those times I bought the ltl to protect myself from the inevetible. My assessment does not change. If you need the $5 or $50 a year more than a few days hunting You probably don't like it that much. One tank of gas is more than that. A few pack of smokes or cases of beer or round of golf or night out for dinner and a drink. Despite being called a liberal....
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 8, 2017 14:35:58 GMT -5
Oh now, many can't work more or make more money. I'm thinking some of our liberal politicians think the way you have mentioned. Yep. lots of people out there with money who don't mind spending it. I'm sure the demand will be there for quite some time, but for people like me, and worse off, there is a stopping point. I've never shot a waterfowl, but buy a licenses and stamp each year ...just in case I get asked to go. Next year, I will probably not buy it. For some like me, the end response will be more level, one might get more, but another will get less; I'll pay the same. Did you call me a liberal? No doubt some will decide to not hunt when tags go up. Guess what...they will go up again and again. I have been buying licenses since I was 15. I am 41 and have seen price hikes 2 or 3 times. One of those times I bought the ltl to protect myself from the inevetible. My assessment does not change. If you need the $5 or $50 a year more than a few days hunting You probably don't like it that much. One tank of gas is more than that. A few pack of smokes or cases of beer or round of golf or night out for dinner and a drink. Despite being called a liberal.... Ain't you some kind of danged environmentalist? I know the type...
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 8, 2017 14:41:40 GMT -5
I'd be OK with an increase, even a significant one, if it's going to what I would consider a good cause, such as expanding public hunting opportunities.
There are certain things that the DNR advocates, that in my amateur judgment, I disagree with. I'm not thrilled about throwing more money towards those causes.
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Post by duff on Jan 8, 2017 14:42:58 GMT -5
Did you call me a liberal? No doubt some will decide to not hunt when tags go up. Guess what...they will go up again and again. I have been buying licenses since I was 15. I am 41 and have seen price hikes 2 or 3 times. One of those times I bought the ltl to protect myself from the inevetible. My assessment does not change. If you need the $5 or $50 a year more than a few days hunting You probably don't like it that much. One tank of gas is more than that. A few pack of smokes or cases of beer or round of golf or night out for dinner and a drink. Despite being called a liberal.... Ain't you some kind of danged environmentalist? I know the type... yep! tree hugger from way back. Originally a fish squeezer. Now a foundry rat living in the tunnels and manholes of a factory...I think I screwed up someplace.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 8, 2017 14:47:00 GMT -5
Ain't you some kind of danged environmentalist? I know the type... yep! tree hugger from way back. Originally a fish squeezer. Now a foundry rat living in the tunnels and manholes of a factory...I think I screwed up someplace. I got to squeeze fish in college.. It was enjoyable. You ought to come back over here to the life of luxury..
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Post by duff on Jan 8, 2017 14:54:55 GMT -5
yep! tree hugger from way back. Originally a fish squeezer. Now a foundry rat living in the tunnels and manholes of a factory...I think I screwed up someplace. I got to squeeze fish in college.. It was enjoyable. You ought to come back over here to the life of luxury.. Tried but I don't meet the "profile" based on all that have been hired! I need an RDO.
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Post by schall53 on Jan 8, 2017 14:56:06 GMT -5
It could be a lot worse. Alaska hasn't raised it license fees for 20 years. They made up for it this year by doubling ALL of the tags and licenses. My grizzly tag was $500.00, if I went this year it would be $1000.00. Black bear was, $225.00 now $450.00.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 15:13:25 GMT -5
There should be no tax on hunters and or receive any tax money from the feds hunting on private owned land!!! They could on public and park lands to support those activities.
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 8, 2017 15:14:22 GMT -5
I've read a lot of the responses on here so here's mine. I bought a lifetime license years ago, back then my wife and I barely had two nickels to rub together. I saved and we both sacrificed so I could get one, I paid my dues and do not feel I need to pay more for what I was told would cover my hunting with a one time investment. I've read its not fair from some, well you better get out of your comfort zone, life isn't fair.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 8, 2017 15:19:49 GMT -5
Ain't you some kind of danged environmentalist? I know the type... yep! tree hugger from way back. Originally a fish squeezer. Now a foundry rat living in the tunnels and manholes of a factory...I think I screwed up someplace. Maybe the comment was more of an unsympathetic one like Scrooge's "Are there no prisions; Are there no workhouses?"
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Post by medic22 on Jan 8, 2017 15:23:44 GMT -5
I've read a lot of the responses on here so here's mine. I bought a lifetime license years ago, back then my wife and I barely had two nickels to rub together. I saved and we both sacrificed so I could get one, I paid my dues and do not feel I need to pay more for what I was told would cover my hunting with a one time investment. I've read its not fair from some, well you better get out of your comfort zone, life isn't fair. I really dont think I can express my feelings any better then this. I did not buy a lifetime licens when they were available. My dad didnt buy one either, we couldnt afford it. Every year I wish I had one, but I dont cry about it not being fair. Nothing in life is ever fair......unless you live in Bernie Sanders Land. All that said, ill pay increases. Its just another in a long line of ever increasing taxes that we will just pay elsewhere.
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