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Post by nfalls116 on Dec 13, 2016 14:18:33 GMT -5
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 13, 2016 14:25:38 GMT -5
Pertains to national parks. Also states you can't possess antlers from animals there " CHAPTER I - NATIONAL PARK SERVICE,DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR. PART 2 - RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION."
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 13, 2016 14:28:16 GMT -5
Hope y'all aren't breaking any twigs or branches stumbling in and out to your stands in the dark.... Wouldn't want you breaking the law. And don't miss that deer and hit a sapling or branch either, ya dirty poachers And keep those climbers off public land trees, your damaging the bark! About that common sense....
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Post by nfalls116 on Dec 13, 2016 15:23:29 GMT -5
Pertains to national parks. Also states you can't possess antlers from animals there " CHAPTER I - NATIONAL PARK SERVICE,DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR. PART 2 - RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION." ... This is the website I was sent to for rules and regulations regarding the hnf. Title 36 pertains to parks forest and public property. If you don't believe it fine I'm not going to argue with you like I would greg. But just know that you cant tell the government you didn't know as a defensebecause now I've told you
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Post by medic22 on Dec 13, 2016 17:24:29 GMT -5
Pertains to national parks. Also states you can't possess antlers from animals there " CHAPTER I - NATIONAL PARK SERVICE,DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR. PART 2 - RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION." ... This is the website I was sent to for rules and regulations regarding the hnf. Title 36 pertains to parks forest and public property. If you don't believe it fine I'm not going to argue with you like I would greg. But just know that you cant tell the government you didn't know as a defensebecause now I've told you Well you also told me chevys suck so I would argue that you arent a reliable source
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Post by beermaker on Dec 13, 2016 18:32:56 GMT -5
Looks like I'm late to a good old whizzin' contest!
We (friends and family) have been hunting the same 600+/- acre section of HNF for over 25 years. We access it from a remote area that is not well-known. The state has done absolutely nothing to maintain, much less improve, any part of this property. The road got so bad several years ago that we contacted the DNR. We were told that there were neither any plans nor any money to do anything. We volunteered to pay for the much needed work and gained approval. We brought in a dozer to scrape and properly crown the road and spread three loads of gravel. The local DNR guy and C.O. showed up when the we were doing the work. They were very gracious and friendly. They indirectly told us to use common sense going forward and do what needed to be done. Every year we have to cut limbs going down the road and clear the parking area. The trail to get from the parking area to the woods has never been serviced and has to be trimmed and cleared before each season and we remove tree tops and logs from the trail in the actual woods. So, with all of that being said and after spending an afternoon with the authorities, I'm not concerned with getting penalized for trimming a few branches or saplings. However, I probably wouldn't do it on popular and frequently used properties.
I'm sure that I'll get a scolding or three here...It certainly won't be the last time.
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 13, 2016 18:54:38 GMT -5
I will say this, this thread and others lately have shown there are quite a few guys that don't think I'd want to hunt with on here. What ever happened to sportsmanship? Doing unto others, consideration for fellow hunter. Amen! I can't believe how many people on here assume they have the right to do certain things on property that doesn't belong to them; or act a certain way when they encounter someone else after arriving late to the area they want to hunt. On the whole issue of cutting shooting lanes and trimming brush and trees on public land... If you have permission from the property manager to do that, then I see nothing wrong with it as long as you aren't messing up someone else's hunt. But to not ask permission and assume you can go in and cut anything down or "trim" anything you want probably isn't ethical or legal. And doing things like that could be a recipe for getting the entire area shut down to the public. I think asking permission prior to cutting anything is the correct course of action. Follow the rules so you don't screw it up for the rest of us, please. If the authorities say no to your request - don't be sore about it. Honor it and respect them. After all, you don't own the land.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 13, 2016 18:58:34 GMT -5
Looks like I'm late to a good old whizzin' contest! We (friends and family) have been hunting the same 600+/- acre section of HNF for over 25 years. We access it from a remote area that is not well-known. The state has done absolutely nothing to maintain, much less improve, any part of this property. The road got so bad several years ago that we contacted the DNR. We were told that there were neither any plans nor any money to do anything. We volunteered to pay for the much needed work and gained approval. We brought in a dozer to scrape and properly crown the road and spread three loads of gravel. The local DNR guy and C.O. showed up when the we were doing the work. They were very gracious and friendly. They indirectly told us to use common sense going forward and do what needed to be done. Every year we have to cut limbs going down the road and clear the parking area. The trail to get from the parking area to the woods has never been serviced and has to be trimmed and cleared before each season and we remove tree tops and logs from the trail in the actual woods. So, with all of that being said and after spending an afternoon with the authorities, I'm not concerned with getting penalized for trimming a few branches or saplings. However, I probably wouldn't do it on popular and frequently used properties. I'm sure that I'll get a scolding or three here...It certainly won't be the last time. I don't think DNR does any work or improvements to any of the HNF.. That's the Feds' job.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 13, 2016 19:04:08 GMT -5
I will say this, this thread and others lately have shown there are quite a few guys that don't think I'd want to hunt with on here. What ever happened to sportsmanship? Doing unto others, consideration for fellow hunter. Amen! I can't believe how many people on here assume they have the right to do certain things on property that doesn't belong to them; or act a certain way when they encounter someone else after arriving late to the area they want to hunt. On the whole issue of cutting shooting lanes and trimming brush and trees on public land... If you have permission from the property manager to do that, then I see nothing wrong with it as long as you aren't messing up someone else's hunt. But to not ask permission and assume you can go in and cut anything down or "trim" anything you want probably isn't ethical or legal. And doing things like that could be a recipe for getting the entire area shut down to the public. I think asking permission prior to cutting anything is the correct course of action. Follow the rules so you don't screw it up for the rest of us, please. If the authorities say no to your request - don't be sore about it. Honor it and respect them. After all, you don't own the land. Man... You said a mouthfull with that post!
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Post by jackryan on Dec 13, 2016 23:11:01 GMT -5
I guess I'm that guy but I've never cut a shooting lane in my life. Never trimmed a tree, never cut a limb. Dont even carry a saw. Guess I'm like jack and see it as a deterrent. I think alot probably is unnecessary and hunter just feels like it's needed. Can't recall a deer getting away because a limb or tree was in the way. Shot usually materializes. Cut, don't cut. Up to you. Just some rambling waiting to go run. Carry on. Nah, we are just magic. I admit it. I'm just magic.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 13, 2016 23:18:01 GMT -5
Looks like I'm late to a good old whizzin' contest! We (friends and family) have been hunting the same 600+/- acre section of HNF for over 25 years. We access it from a remote area that is not well-known. The state has done absolutely nothing to maintain, much less improve, any part of this property. The road got so bad several years ago that we contacted the DNR. We were told that there were neither any plans nor any money to do anything. We volunteered to pay for the much needed work and gained approval. We brought in a dozer to scrape and properly crown the road and spread three loads of gravel. The local DNR guy and C.O. showed up when the we were doing the work. They were very gracious and friendly. They indirectly told us to use common sense going forward and do what needed to be done. Every year we have to cut limbs going down the road and clear the parking area. The trail to get from the parking area to the woods has never been serviced and has to be trimmed and cleared before each season and we remove tree tops and logs from the trail in the actual woods. So, with all of that being said and after spending an afternoon with the authorities, I'm not concerned with getting penalized for trimming a few branches or saplings. However, I probably wouldn't do it on popular and frequently used properties. I'm sure that I'll get a scolding or three here...It certainly won't be the last time. What makes you think any one here would have a problem with you doing what you were given permission to do? People all over the HNF go in and cut firewood on national property. WHERE THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO. That doesn't give them permission to cut live trees, clear food plot areas or build a cabin. It's not like you are doing the rest of us or the state any big favor if I read it right. Sounds to me like YOU ask THEM to let you do this.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 14, 2016 0:02:50 GMT -5
Now we've stretched from cutting a limb out of the way to dropping trees and planting food plots. Lol
If you can't see the difference.... So much for common sense lol
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Post by nfalls116 on Dec 14, 2016 0:14:37 GMT -5
Government says do not cut even a leaf off. Bulldozer chainsaw and hand pruners are all illegal but would most likely elicit different responses from Government agency.
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Post by beermaker on Dec 14, 2016 5:40:46 GMT -5
Looks like I'm late to a good old whizzin' contest! We (friends and family) have been hunting the same 600+/- acre section of HNF for over 25 years. We access it from a remote area that is not well-known. The state has done absolutely nothing to maintain, much less improve, any part of this property. The road got so bad several years ago that we contacted the DNR. We were told that there were neither any plans nor any money to do anything. We volunteered to pay for the much needed work and gained approval. We brought in a dozer to scrape and properly crown the road and spread three loads of gravel. The local DNR guy and C.O. showed up when the we were doing the work. They were very gracious and friendly. They indirectly told us to use common sense going forward and do what needed to be done. Every year we have to cut limbs going down the road and clear the parking area. The trail to get from the parking area to the woods has never been serviced and has to be trimmed and cleared before each season and we remove tree tops and logs from the trail in the actual woods. So, with all of that being said and after spending an afternoon with the authorities, I'm not concerned with getting penalized for trimming a few branches or saplings. However, I probably wouldn't do it on popular and frequently used properties. I'm sure that I'll get a scolding or three here...It certainly won't be the last time. I don't think DNR does any work or improvements to any of the HNF.. That's the Feds' job. I understand that and "National Forest" suggests so. I don't foresee Obama or Trump send someone from the DOI to do evaluations either. So, who actually does look after the HNF? Getting off topic here, but I think it a valid question. The local C.O.'s have been to the property that we hunt several times looking for ATV riders and to post signs.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 14, 2016 6:13:12 GMT -5
I don't think DNR does any work or improvements to any of the HNF.. That's the Feds' job. I understand that and "National Forest" suggests so. I don't foresee Obama or Trump send someone from the DOI to do evaluations either. So, who actually does look after the HNF? Getting off topic here, but I think it a valid question. The local C.O.'s have been to the property that we hunt several times looking for ATV riders and to post signs. Sure.. The U.S. Forest Service, under the Department of Agriculture, is responsible for management of National Forest property, roads, trails, etc. The FS has their own law enforcement, but state game wardens also patrol/enforce game laws on federal property same as anywhere else in the state.
There are NF offices in Bedford and Tell City, that would be the place to go/call with questions or comments on management of the HNF.
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Post by beermaker on Dec 14, 2016 6:50:52 GMT -5
Sure.. The U.S. Forest Service, under the Department of Agriculture, is responsible for management of National Forest property, roads, trails, etc. The FS has their own law enforcement, but state game wardens also patrol/enforce game laws on federal property same as anywhere else in the state.
There are NF offices in Bedford and Tell City, that would be the place to go/call with questions or comments on management of the HNF.
Question answered and thank you.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 14, 2016 11:26:05 GMT -5
Now we've stretched from cutting a limb out of the way to dropping trees and planting food plots. Lol If you can't see the difference.... So much for common sense lol I think if you go back to the beginning and read the thread again you'll find someone already wanting to put out food plot on public land. People regularly cut live trees in HNF around me to make room for their camp sight, put up "meat poles" and throw tarps over. I can take you to one right now they build right across the road from their previous dump where HNF just put up posts to stop it 2 years ago.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 14, 2016 11:31:15 GMT -5
I don't think DNR does any work or improvements to any of the HNF.. That's the Feds' job. I understand that and "National Forest" suggests so. I don't foresee Obama or Trump send someone from the DOI to do evaluations either. So, who actually does look after the HNF? Getting off topic here, but I think it a valid question. The local C.O.'s have been to the property that we hunt several times looking for ATV riders and to post signs. The CO and the HNF enforcement division both have full authority to enforce the rules and law at any level from local litter laws to federal theft, or murder in or on the HNF and beyond. They do divide up their general responsibilities but that don't mean HNF law can't ticket a poacher or a CO will look the other way at someone hauling a log out of HNF. If you ask one or the other a question and it's NOT something they generally handle they will often refer you to the other who does.
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Post by hornzilla on Dec 14, 2016 12:35:01 GMT -5
Now we've stretched from cutting a limb out of the way to dropping trees and planting food plots. Lol If you can't see the difference.... So much for common sense lol I think if you go back to the beginning and read the thread again you'll find someone already wanting to put out food plot on public land. People regularly cut live trees in HNF around me to make room for their camp sight, put up "meat poles" and throw tarps over. I can take you to one right now they build right across the road from their previous dump where HNF just put up posts to stop it 2 years ago. If this camp is along the road and there doing that much damage when why don't a HNF personal or CO do something about it?
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 15, 2016 0:17:38 GMT -5
Government says do not cut even a leaf off. Bulldozer chainsaw and hand pruners are all illegal but would most likely elicit different responses from Government agency. The link you posted specifically spells out, in capital letters, National Parks. Just sayin National Parks and National Forests are not one and the same. If you think they are, try hunting in Yellowstone NationalvPark
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