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Post by greghopper on Dec 18, 2016 11:33:27 GMT -5
IWDHM PRESS RELEASE. 10-14-16 Last Tuesday members of the board of IWDHM met with directors from the DNR and DFW. The meeting was called by Senator Mark Messmer and Senator Jim Tomes. Attendees included Cameron Clark (DNR DIRECTOR), John Davis (DNR DEPUTY DIRECTOR), Mark Reiter (DFW DIRECTOR), Senator Messmer, Senator Tomes, Greg Kazmierski (VICE CHAIR WISCONSIN NATURAL RESOURCES BOARD), and board members of IWDHM. Greg Kazmierski was in attendance to provide the DNR and DFW with the details of how Wisconsin's CDAC (County Deer Advisory Council) works, and how the public has participated. The intention of the meeting was to provide more detailed information to the DNR and DFW on the proposal of CDAC's here in Indiana. Director Clark, Director Reiter, and Deputy Director Davis were very receptive and interested in the possibility of CDAC's giving the public the opportunity to give their input on deer management on a much more local level. The directors have asked IWDHM to spearhead a pilot CDAC program in 6 counties. They pledged their support for this endeavor, and pledged to use DNR and DFW websites and social media to help organize the formation of the committees, and help inform the public of the committee meetings schedule. Currently IWDHM is working to assess which counties should be included in this pilot. We are looking to choose 6 counties with a variety of different habitat and terrain, so as to see how the CDAC works across different county situations. The DNR and DFW have asked that we try to have this pilot ready to start by early next year. This will be a large endeavor, but the benefits of CDAC's are well worth the effort. IWDHM would like to thank Director Clark, Director Reiter, and Deputy Director Davis for having an open discussion about the future of deer management in Indiana and for supporting this endeavor. We would like to thank Greg Kazmierski for traveling from Wisconsin to attend this meeting and for providing the details and the benefits of the CDAC program. We would also like to thank Senator Mark Messmer and Senator Jim Tomes for calling this meeting and supporting a positive change for deer management in Indiana. pop2 Has anyone heard what 6 counties have been chosen...or if there is any update on any of this?
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Post by medic22 on Dec 18, 2016 13:46:38 GMT -5
IWDHM PRESS RELEASE. 10-14-16 Last Tuesday members of the board of IWDHM met with directors from the DNR and DFW. The meeting was called by Senator Mark Messmer and Senator Jim Tomes. Attendees included Cameron Clark (DNR DIRECTOR), John Davis (DNR DEPUTY DIRECTOR), Mark Reiter (DFW DIRECTOR), Senator Messmer, Senator Tomes, Greg Kazmierski (VICE CHAIR WISCONSIN NATURAL RESOURCES BOARD), and board members of IWDHM. Greg Kazmierski was in attendance to provide the DNR and DFW with the details of how Wisconsin's CDAC (County Deer Advisory Council) works, and how the public has participated. The intention of the meeting was to provide more detailed information to the DNR and DFW on the proposal of CDAC's here in Indiana. Director Clark, Director Reiter, and Deputy Director Davis were very receptive and interested in the possibility of CDAC's giving the public the opportunity to give their input on deer management on a much more local level. The directors have asked IWDHM to spearhead a pilot CDAC program in 6 counties. They pledged their support for this endeavor, and pledged to use DNR and DFW websites and social media to help organize the formation of the committees, and help inform the public of the committee meetings schedule. Currently IWDHM is working to assess which counties should be included in this pilot. We are looking to choose 6 counties with a variety of different habitat and terrain, so as to see how the CDAC works across different county situations. The DNR and DFW have asked that we try to have this pilot ready to start by early next year. This will be a large endeavor, but the benefits of CDAC's are well worth the effort. IWDHM would like to thank Director Clark, Director Reiter, and Deputy Director Davis for having an open discussion about the future of deer management in Indiana and for supporting this endeavor. We would like to thank Greg Kazmierski for traveling from Wisconsin to attend this meeting and for providing the details and the benefits of the CDAC program. We would also like to thank Senator Mark Messmer and Senator Jim Tomes for calling this meeting and supporting a positive change for deer management in Indiana. pop2 Has anyone heard what 6 counties have been chosen...or if there is any update on any of this? My guess would be the 6 counties that the more senior members of IWDHM hunt in
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Post by greghopper on Dec 19, 2016 8:34:09 GMT -5
That sounds about right...
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2016 8:45:50 GMT -5
Has anyone heard what 6 counties have been chosen...or if there is any update on any of this? My guess would be the 6 counties that the more senior members of IWDHM hunt in This is most likely the case, however for a pilot program which they have full reigns over not going to say I'm shocked or surprised at this. THEY are operating it, THEY will control it....and THEY will make sure to think through which 6 will "most likely" be easiest to facilitate and play out their way (latter most likely a big factor). In and of itself I see zero wrong with the concept or goal of a CDAC...however greed and opinion of some taint and distort it if selection of CDAC's members and contributors isn't truly random...and IF this whole thing rolled to statewide I highly doubt it will be smoothly for that very reason.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 19, 2016 9:07:25 GMT -5
I'm all for anything that will benefit our deer herd.. Is this CDAC proposal the answer ? Would prefer the IDNR to do so as that is what they are designed to do.
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Post by jjas on Dec 19, 2016 9:18:05 GMT -5
The vast majority of complaints about low deer numbers are coming from the northern half of the state, and as long as there is declining habitat and (what many claim) are too many deer hunters for the number of deer in these areas, how does anyone propose to really make a difference in deer numbers?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2016 9:38:07 GMT -5
The vast majority of complaints about low deer numbers are coming from the northern half of the state, and as long as there is declining habitat and (what many claim) are too many deer hunters for the number of deer in these areas, how does anyone propose to really make a difference in deer numbers? Loss of habitat and hunter density are two variables many REFUSE to discuss...but at least in the Northern part of the state are IMO the two BIGGEST factors present....and in some areas fawn recruitment due to surges in yote pops.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 19, 2016 9:44:35 GMT -5
And when you have more people hunting for deer, than there are deer, it just doesn’t matter what gimmicks you try!
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Post by jjas on Dec 19, 2016 9:55:52 GMT -5
The vast majority of complaints about low deer numbers are coming from the northern half of the state, and as long as there is declining habitat and (what many claim) are too many deer hunters for the number of deer in these areas, how does anyone propose to really make a difference in deer numbers? Loss of habitat and hunter density are two variables many REFUSE to discuss...but at least in the Northern part of the state are IMO the two BIGGEST factors present....and in some areas fawn recruitment due to surges in yote pops. Now the million dollar question.... I know that there are exceptions, but when you look @ the numbers for many northern counties over the last few seasons, while they are down a bit it's nothing I would consider drastic considering that herd reduction has been a priority. So why haven't the harvest numbers in many of these counties dropped to the point that it would match the reports you read from hunters saying they just aren't seeing deer anymore? How does that happen?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2016 10:11:24 GMT -5
Loss of habitat and hunter density are two variables many REFUSE to discuss...but at least in the Northern part of the state are IMO the two BIGGEST factors present....and in some areas fawn recruitment due to surges in yote pops. Now the million dollar question.... I know that there are exceptions, but when you look @ the numbers for many northern counties over the last few seasons, while they are down a bit it's nothing I would consider drastic considering that herd reduction has been a priority. So why haven't the harvest numbers in many of these counties dropped to the point that it would match the reports you read from hunters saying they just aren't seeing deer anymore? How does that happen? Density of hunters keeps going up Shoot just on the surrounding parcels by my parents...kid you not NONE of them are larger than 5 acres of woods...you have 6 hunters on 4 parcels which touch my parents 9 acres.
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Post by jjas on Dec 19, 2016 10:19:04 GMT -5
tynimiller
So how is the DNR supposed to "fix" that?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2016 10:26:04 GMT -5
tynimiller So how is the DNR supposed to "fix" that? Quite easily really......................... ......................hang on...I'll get back to you. LOL!
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Post by jjas on Dec 19, 2016 10:32:46 GMT -5
tynimiller So how is the DNR supposed to "fix" that? Quite easily really......................... ......................hang on...I'll get back to you. LOL! Seriously...short of drastic ideas such as limiting tags in certain areas via a draw system, or making it illegal to have more than "X" numbers of hunters per acre or making it illegal to discharge a firearm on parcels that are less than a certain amount of land, (none of which I would ever support, think the DNR would even try or would realistically work)...what can be done?
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Post by throbak on Dec 19, 2016 10:42:23 GMT -5
Not ask of them specifically But trying to get someone on board from each of our 92 county's , The odds of that happening are very slim at best ,And With no bonus tags period you can still kill 4 deer ?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 19, 2016 10:46:01 GMT -5
"Can be done" to achieve what?
Shouldn't there be a problem found before you start finding answers? To many people in one area is not always a problem!
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2016 10:57:01 GMT -5
True, not always Greg.
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Post by jjas on Dec 19, 2016 11:27:59 GMT -5
"Can be done" to achieve what? Shouldn't there be a problem found before you start finding answers? To many people in one area is not always a problem! While I can't say I disagree with you about needing a problem before starting to find answers, many people would disagree with both of us on this subject and contend that there are significant issues with deer numbers in certain areas of the state that need to be addressed. Or do you think that this is just another item that will forever be a point of contention between hunters?
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Post by firstwd on Dec 19, 2016 13:07:08 GMT -5
"Can be done" to achieve what? Shouldn't there be a problem found before you start finding answers? To many people in one area is not always a problem! While I can't say I disagree with you about needing a problem before starting to find answers, many people would disagree with both of us on this subject and contend that there are significant issues with deer numbers in certain areas of the state that need to be addressed. Or do you think that this is just another item that will forever be a point of contention between hunters? The thing a lot of people don't want to believe is there are certain areas of the state that just shouldn't have a deer population. With very little habitat, and large chunks of unhuntable habitat, deer hunting in certain areas just isn't feasible.
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Post by mkfrench on Dec 19, 2016 16:26:30 GMT -5
A little research will show anyone who truly wants to know, that the Northern half of the state(with exception to a couple counties) have ALWAYS been the lesser producing counties for deer harvest. ALWAYS!! why is this just now a concern for people? I see nothing but consistency in harvest tendencies from my 25 years Monday morning quarterbacking. Overall harvest fluctuate up and down but the individual county numbers seem to correlate.
Am I wrong on this? I'm going off my memory of paying attention to the harvest totals that were printed in every yearly IN hunting Reg magazine and could definitely be wrong.
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Post by GS1 on Dec 19, 2016 16:40:00 GMT -5
And With no bonus tags period you can still kill 4 deer ? With the bundle available I'm not sure why they even offer bonus antlerless tags. I'd like to see them do away with them completely.
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